LDS Only: Self-righteousness in our midst

[Watchmen]

I'm simply asking for clarification and it feels like you're dodging me. I apologize if I'm reading this wrong.

If I am narrow minded, blindly following the prophet, and behaving like a Pharisee, please tell me how. You have implied that I am guilty of these things, and I feel you owe me an explanation.

Again.

You and madhatter, for example, have a very narrow interpretation of doctrine in that you think the most conservative way is the ONLY way. That's certainly not the case. There are liberal members of this church who hold temple recommends and are just as worthy as you to do so.

 

[Starfish]

Again.

You and madhatter, for example, have a very narrow interpretation of doctrine in that you think the most conservative way is the ONLY way. That's certainly not the case. There are liberal members of this church who hold temple recommends and are just as worthy as you to do so.

Please show me where I have said this. I've reviewed all my posts on this subject, and can't find what you're talking about. I've simply agreed with the Church's stand. In fact I said in an earlier post that none of this would affect anyone's recommend and I also stated we all have the right to our opinions. You do. I do. Yet when I express mine, I'm narrow minded?

 

[Watchmen]

Please show me where I have said this. I've reviewed all my posts on this subject, and can't find what you're talking about. I've simply agreed with the Church's stand. In fact I said in an earlier post that none of this would affect anyone's recommend and I also stated we all have the right to our opinions. You do. I do. Yet when I express mine, I'm narrow minded?

Pretty words, but your posts have that tone of self-righteousness discussed in that other thread. Sorry. I'm a straight shooter and I call it how I see it.

 

[Starfish]

Pretty words, but your posts have that tone of self-righteousness discussed in that other thread. Sorry. I'm a straight shooter and I call it how I see it.

Then you are seeing things that are not there. I want examples.

 

[FFH]

Pretty words, but your posts have that tone of self-righteousness discussed in that other thread. Sorry. I'm a straight shooter and I call it how I see it.

Not one of us claims to be 100 percent righteous, no man or woman on earth can claim this, according to scripture, "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God," yet we proclaim righteousness, there is a big difference.

We need to make the distinction between compassion and setting standards.

We should have compassion on each other, as sinners, yet set a certain standard of what is acceptable within our particular religious belief system.

The Presidency of the LDS church has spoken on many matters that many have called us self-righteous for supporting.

So I guess you're also calling the First Presidency and Christ, self-righteous, since they directly represent him, as the First Presidency of Christ's church.

 

[FFH]

My father used to call me "self-righteous," yet God refers to it as being an "example." Christ being our ultimate example of righteousness.

We are examples in a dark world, that's all, we are still sinners, who have come short of the glory of God.

Thank God for Christ's sacrifice on all of our behalfs or we would all be condemned to hell forever, literally.

 

[Watchmen]

Then you are seeing things that are not there. I want examples.

Read any of your posts. They are examples enough.

 

[Watchmen]

FFH - you, starfish, and madhatter have made the path so narrow that others only see a tangle of weeds.

 

[FFH]

FFH - you, starfish, and madhatter have made the path so narrow that others only see a tangle of weeds.

The "Parable of the Ten Virgins" comes to mind.

There will be a great seperation among Christians (those who believe in Christ) which is what that parable is all about, in my opinion.

If the parable numbers are literal, then the split will be right down the middle, 50/50, on certain issues, such as are being discussed in other threads.

 

[Starfish]

FFH - you, starfish, and madhatter have made the path so narrow that others only see a tangle of weeds.

Disney, you refuse to give evidence of what you have accused me of. So I'll conclude that you don't have it, which makes your words meaningless.

 

[Watchmen]

The "Parable of the Ten Virgins" comes to mind.

There will be a great seperation among Christians (those who believe in Christ) which is what that parable is all about, in my opinion.

If the parable numbers are literal, then the split will be right down the middle, 50/50, on certain issues, such as are being discussed in other threads.

And now here is an example of your crew's judgmental, self-righteousness.

 

[Starfish]

And now here is an example of your crew's judgmental, self-righteousness.

Are you talking to me or to FFH?

 

[Watchmen]

Are you talking to me or to FFH?

Did I quote your post or FFH's?

 

[FFH]

And now here is an example of your crew's judgmental, self-righteousness.

Let's make it clear, that not one person/"self" on this planet is perfect/"righteous," but we can proclaim righteousness and strive for it.

We are proclaiming righteousness, even though we are sinners, just as you are proclaiming your position.

Should we put a label on your position ???

"Self-degrading" maybe ???

Why would you want to "self-degrade" yourself ???

Move to higher ground.

 

[Watchmen]

Let's make it clear that not one "self" on this planet is righteous, but we can proclaim righteousness and strive for it.

We are proclaiming righteousness, even though we are sinners, just as you are proclaiming your position, which just happens to be liberal.

Should we put a label on your postion ???

Your self-righteousness has already labeled me by implication. I know exactly where I stand with you.

 

[FFH]

Were the 5 virgins of the "Parable of the 10 Virgins" being self-centered and self-righteous for not giving of their oil to the other 5 virgins who had no oil ???
They basically said go and get your own oil, then were taken into the "Bride Chamber" and the door was shut, while the other 5 virgins were away buying oil for their lamps.

 

[FFH]

Your self-righteousness has already labeled me by implication. I know exactly where I stand with you.

So then you're comfortable with your particular belief system, so then why are you complaining about our stance on any given issue that is opposed to yours ???

Are you happy with your beliefs ??? Do they give you a sense of peace ???

 

[madhatter85]

Your self-righteousness has already labeled me by implication. I know exactly where I stand with you.

"If everyone waited untill they were perfect to teach, nobody would learn anything."

We proclaim righteousness but know where we fall short and strive to fix it. this is the fundamental way of life for every true Latter-day Saint.

Calling someone "Self-righteous" because we are following the prophet's council, is just a way of being in denial. they don't want to humble themselves and submit to the will of the Lord as spoken through his servants the Prophets.

D&C 1:

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.

 

[Watchmen]

Look, you have lumped me in with others, without evidence to back it up, so when you say "your crew's", it's possible that you are doing it again. Am I in this "crew" you referred to?

I am getting fed up with having to defend myself to you. Either back up what you're saying, or don't say it.

As I've stated before: All the evidence is in your posts.

 

[Watchmen]

Let's make it clear, that not one person/"self" on this planet is perfect/"righteous," but we can proclaim righteousness and strive for it.

We are proclaiming righteousness, even though we are sinners, just as you are proclaiming your position.

Should we put a label on your position ???

"Self-degrading" maybe ???

Why would you want to "self-degrade" yourself ???

Move to higher ground.

By labeling me as "self-degrading" you have reinforced my position that you are self-righteous.