LDS Only: Self-righteousness in our midst

[Watchmen]

Were the 5 virgins of the "Parable of the 10 Virgins" being self-centered and self-righteous for not giving of their oil to the other 5 virgins who had no oil ???
They basically said go and get your own oil, then were taken into the "Bride Chamber" and the door was shut, while the other 5 virgins were away buying oil for their lamps.

This post reinforces my position that you are self-righteous as you expressly state that those who believe as I do do not have oil in our lamps and won't be allowed into the wedding party.

 

[Watchmen]

So then you're comfortable with your particular belief system, so then why are you complaining about our stance on any given issue that is opposed to yours ???

Are you happy with your beliefs ??? Do they give you a sense of peace ???

I am happy with my beliefs.

I have peace because I am in good standing with the Lord.

I'm complaining about your stance because you are self-righteous (as has been demonstrated time and again by your posts) and I will fight for equality whereever I see the need - especially if the bigotry is within my own church.

 

[Watchmen]

"If everyone waited untill they were perfect to teach, nobody would learn anything."

We proclaim righteousness but know where we fall short and strive to fix it. this is the fundamental way of life for every true Latter-day Saint.

Calling someone "Self-righteous" because we are following the prophet's council, is just a way of being in denial. they don't want to humble themselves and submit to the will of the Lord as spoken through his servants the Prophets.


You are not being called self-righteous for following the prophet's counsel. You are being called self-righteous for judging others and believing the most narrow interpretation is the only interpretation.

 

[Starfish]

As I've stated before: All the evidence is in your posts.

What evidence? I've been through my posts several times to see where I am guilty of your charges. You refuse to give ONE example. This is hopeless.

So, never mind. I'm giving up.

 

[FFH]

Throwing out the term "self-righteous" only serves to distract from the issue being debated.

It shows insecurity on the accuser's part.

By the standards set forth here on this thread, Christ could also be accused of being "self-righteous," which makes no sense whatsoever.

Even Christ said none are good, but the Father, that included himself at the time he said that.

 

[FFH]

Matt. 19: 17
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10: 18
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luke 18: 19
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

 

[Watchmen]

Nice try, FFH. You have consistently told me I'm not invited to the wedding party. You have judged me. You are self-righteous and that's not meant in a good way.

Game over.

 

[madhatter85]

Nice try, FFH. You have consistently told me I'm not invited to the wedding party. You have judged me. You are self-righteous and that's not meant in a good way.

Game over.

no, we share stuff to let you know how things are going to be later for us all.

the parable of the ten Virgins. YOU take it to mean that we are judging you when in reality YOU are judging yourself.

 

[FFH]

Nice try, FFH. You have consistently told me I'm not invited to the wedding party. You have judged me. You are self-righteous and that's not meant in a good way.

Game over.

We are proclaiming righteousness, as Christ has warned us to do, otherwise we will be held accountable.

We have the right to judge righteous judgement upon others, as we see fit, and are commanded to do so, otherwise we might as well also eliminate all the leaders of the LDS church, since you seem to think we need no righteous judges.

I'm not a perfect judge and neither is any man or any leader of the LDS church, but on some issues the line is clearly drawn and hard to mistake which side of the fence others are on.

We are commanded to....

D&C 88: 81
Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

When Christ uses the term neighbor, he means those we come in contact with on a daily basis, not just our literal neighbors, whom we may never speak to, or come into direct contact with anyway, in certain situations.

I'm at work so much I rarely see my neighbors, and they rarely see me, yet I talk to many others on a daily basis, those are my neighbors. those are the ones whom I'm responsible to warn.

Rev. 22: 7
Behold, I come quickly...

Call me what you will, it makes no difference to me in the end.

I'm struggling with sin just as much as any other man, yet I know where I need to draw the line on any given issue, and strive to obtain the standard Christ has set and the line he has clearly drawn.

I know I'll make it because Christ has promised us we would, if we do what he says, which many of us will do if we keep trying.

 

[silvermoon383]

Will you all stop it already?

 

[Watchmen]

no, we share stuff to let you know how things are going to be later for us all.

the parable of the ten Virgins. YOU take it to mean that we are judging you when in reality YOU are judging yourself.

Again, nice try. Why else would the parable be shared than to imply "we're in this group" and "you're burning in hell."

 

[Watchmen]

We are proclaiming righteousness, as Christ has warned us to do, otherwise we will be held accountable.

We have the right to judge righteous judgement upon others, as we see fit, and are commanded to do so, otherwise we might as well also eliminate all the leaders of the LDS church, since you seem to think we need no righteous judges.

I'm not a perfect judge and neither is any man or any leader of the LDS church, but on some issues the line is clearly drawn and hard to mistake which side of the fence others are on.

We are commanded to....

D&C 88: 81
Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

When Christ uses the term neighbor, he means those we come in contact with on a daily basis, not just our literal neighbors, whom we may never speak to, or come into direct contact with anyway, in certain situations.

I'm at work so much I rarely see my neighbors, and they rarely see me, yet I talk to many others on a daily basis, those are my neighbors. those are the ones whom I'm responsible to warn.

Rev. 22: 7
Behold, I come quickly...

Call me what you will, it makes no difference to me in the end.

I'm struggling with sin just as much as any other man, yet I know where I need to draw the line on any given issue, and strive to obtain the standard Christ has set and the line he has clearly drawn.

I know I'll make it because Christ has promised us we would, if we do what he says, which many of us will do if we keep trying.

Your just as bad as those "christians" I've run into that bash Mormonism until their face turns red and when called out on it they claim they do it out of love and worry for my soul.

Cut from the same cloth, I'd say.

 

[Watchmen]

Will you all stop it already?

I will not sit idly by while others trample on the rights of good people in this country while also telling me I'm a sinner for believing the way I do.

 

[madhatter85]

I will not sit idly by while others trample on the rights of good people in this country while also telling me I'm a sinner for believing the way I do.

And that is your choice and your free-agency.

Joshua 24:

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

 

[Watchmen]

And that is your choice and your free-agency.

Joshua 24:

Thanks for another example of your self-righteousness. You are telling me I'm not serving the Lord.

 

[madhatter85]

Thanks for another example of your self-righteousness. You are telling me I'm not serving the Lord.

I'm Not telling you who you are or are not serving. I am merely asserting whom it is that i serve. If by implication you feel like you aren't serving the Lord, then that is not my fault.

 

[madhatter85]

Moroni 7:18

18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.

I have no problem being judged in whatever judgements i may have toward other people.

That is why we are not to judge others RASHLY, because with the same judgements that we place on others we are also judged.

Mormon 8:

19 For behold, the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged rashly again; for according to his works shall his wages be; therefore, he that smiteth shall be smitten again, of the Lord.

 

[FFH]

Joshua 24:
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Wow, weird, I was going to post that scripture earlier, but chose not to for some reason.

This scripture flooded my mind over and over, but I didn't post it for fear of being overbearing or called "self-righteous". What a stupid description of how we really are. I know you and would never slap a label like that on you. I would hope someone would warn/help me if I was in need of correction.

We should never be in fear of posting what comes to our minds, no matter how much the opposing party lashes out at us.

You and I know sin, we've experienced it enough to know it's degrading affects on our lives and we try and avoid sin as much as possible, because of our past experiences. We try to avoid that which would bring more pain into our lives, yet we still struggle.

We proclaim God's standards of righteousness, yet still struggle to keep his commandments ourselves no doubt.

Paul spoke of this as a "thorn in the flesh" yet he kept on preaching and recording scripture which served to warn and encourage others.

Paul still struggled with sin, yet he kept on preaching God's standard of righteousness until his death.

 

[madhatter85]

Wow, weird, I was going to post that scripture earlier, but chose not to for some reason.

This scripture flooded my mind over and over, but I didn't post it for fear of being overbearing or called "self-righteous". What a stupid description of how we really are. I know you and would never slap a label like that on you. I would hope someone would warn/help me if I was in need of correction.

We should never be in fear of posting what comes to our minds, no matter how much the opposing party lashes out at us.

You and I know sin, we've experienced it enough to know it's degrading affects on our lives and we try and avoid sin as much as possible, because of our past experiences. We try to avoid that which would bring more pain into our lives, yet we still struggle.

We proclaim God's standards of righteousness, yet still struggle to keep his commandments ourselves no doubt.

Paul spoke of this as a "thorn in the flesh" yet he kept on preaching and recording scripture which served to warn and encourage others.

Paul still struggled with sin, yet he kept on preaching God's standard of righteousness until his death.

Yes exactly, I was never claiming to be perfect.

There was a quote i am trying to find. it might be from The Miracle of forgiveness.

it goes something to the effect of "If we all waitied untill we were perfect to speak, nothing would ever be said." I know it's an LDS Apostle quote but i'm having trouble finding it again.

We don't know what Affliction Paul had weither it be a temptation or a physical burden that didn't heal or what. But it was there to keep him humble.

A long time ago when i was inactive a beam fell on my foot at work. and from a coupel mor series of events my toe began to bleed. it began to bleed for 2 years and refused to heal. I did not have medical insurance but i kept thinking that it would just go away. it became infected and inflamed, but then some days it looked as if it was healing.

I know the Lord did not allow it to heal properly and it became a "thorn in my flesh" and when i read about Paul and his trial. I almost cried because i knew at that instant that the Lord was teaching me a lesson.

When i had finished the repentance process, the lord allowed it to heal.

 

[Watchmen]

You two continue to prove my point. Keep it up.