Subduction Zone
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No, once again I am saying that they are calling God a liar, though they do not understand this.Well, I'm on @Trailblazer's side on this one (her original refutation, not this one as it relies on her reading of Genesis, not the creationists). I don't understand your logic here. Maybe we should dissect the claim to come to a conclusion. It all started way back when you said:
You make a claim about creationists making a claim. Your claim would be true if creationists really made that claim. Their claim would be:
"God is a liar."
Do we have evidence of creationists saying that? No.
Can we infer that? And here comes your logical error: You say that the evidence against a flood refutes the Noah story. But you see the world from your view (as did @Trailblazer when she said she doesn't believe the Flood story is from god). For the creationists to be saying that god is a liar, they would have to accept the evidence. But they don't. In their world view there is evidence for a global flood and no credible evidence against it. Thus, no claim of lying. Or more formally:
1. God says (in the Bible) there was a global flood. 2. We have evidence that there was a global flood. C: God told the truth.
Which makes your claim false.
And as a refutation of your counter example I need to remind you that creationists do not understand the concept of evidence in this context. So their claim that they have evidence is of no value.
Let's go over the main points. For simplicity I am just using the Noah's Ark myth since that is easier to understand than the refutation of the Adam and Eve myth.
1. All of the reliable evidence tells us that that event never happened.
2. For that event to happen God would have had to have planted all sorts of false evidence. That is a form of lying.
3. Creationists say that the God really did that.
4. Therefore creationists are claiming that God planted false evidence which is a form of lying. In short creationists are claiming that God is a liar.
Do you disagree with any of those steps?