Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

[Revoltingest]

I think if we're talking about the establishment left, that may be true. However, I've also seen plenty (who might regarded as "fringe") strongly oppose the war all along.

When I was growing up, a lot of people were firmly against the Vietnam War (where tens of thousands more Americans died than in Afghanistan, which is a significant difference).

With Afghanistan, it was different, especially after the death of Bin Laden. It seemed to be played up more as a "wolf by the ears" situation. We didn't really want to be there, but letting go seemed an irresponsible option.

There were no communists to fight in Afghanistan. Our enemies were ostensibly fighting for a different ideology and a different cause, thus making the battle for hearts and minds a completely different kettle of fish.

Ever since WW2, both parties favored an internationalistic foreign policy; the isolationists had been thoroughly ostracized and discredited in the eyes of the American people. The general policy of containment and the philosophy which justified has become a cornerstone in our foreign and military policies - embraced by professionals and experts in those fields, and propagated by both major political parties. Both touted themselves as patriotic and pro-American, different only by degrees. Both believed in American exceptionalism.

Of course there are people in groups who are exceptions
to general tendencies. But the left is still pro-war.

 

[Stevicus]

Of course there are people in groups who are exceptions
to general tendencies. But the left is still pro-war.

It's not because they didn't try.

(That's footage from the protests surrounding the Democratic Convention of '68.)

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not because they didn't try.

(That's footage from the protests surrounding the Democratic Convention of '68.)

Protesters did stop trying when Bush's wars became Obama's.
What was once opposition became acceptance.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Whenever someone says “millions of years” yes I dismiss because that’s code for you have no clue.

False.

Human beings can be traced back to Adam and Eve, we have lineage and genealogy to prove that.

False.

This is kind of a funny point to attempt to make here though ... like right above here you've said scientists don't have a clue about the past but then in the very next sentence you try to claim that we've mapped human ancestry back to Adam and Eve? Come on, try to be consistent at least.

Scientists say we used this or that to prove the age but they have no idea what was going on millions of years ago because human beings weren’t around.

There are a ton of methods of investigating the past that don't require humans to have been present at all.

What I believe is God created the Earth and everything in it, He sustains and provides for His creation, especially human beings created in His Image. Are resources finite? Yes I believe they are. When will they be exhausted? When God ends this current Heaven and Earth and provides a New Heaven and Earth. From what I’m seeing around the world it may be sooner than later. That’s my view

Good for you. When you can demonstrate any of that, be sure to get back to us.

So now you agree that our resources are finite? Great, that was the main point of contention in the first place. Glad we agree!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ignoring a guess not a fact, scientists have
A habit of mixing a little truth with error and that’s
called a deception.

Please cite an example.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A theory isn’t a fact and you cannot prove millions of years ago, it’s a guess. No human being was here to say or observe anything.

Wrong. You should try actually reading peoples' posts.
Scientific theories are comprised of facts.


"A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts."

What Is a Theory? A Scientific Definition | AMNH

 

[SkepticThinker]

Matthew and Luke. The Jews kept great records of genealogy and we have these records. There are no records past Adam and Eve. Scientists say this or that but the names stop at Adam and Eve. All kind of human activity from Adam and Eve onward for writing and civilization.

Nice story.

There were several human civilizations in existence long before the Bible was written.
There is no absolutely no evidence for the Adam & Eve described in the Bible.
Matthew and Luke were written by anonymous writers.

I have to ask, where on earth do you get your "information" from?

 

[ElishaElijah]

A list of predictions that appear to be mostly correct only refutes your claim.

Please note, when making clams that predictions were wrong you need to have a link to a reliable source that gives the prediction in context. A strawman version of a prediction is merely a lie.

Were those predictions made? Yes. Were they wrong? Yes
Why were they wrong? Because they were made by not having all the information.
So, saying we are running out of fossil fuels using incomplete knowledge is the same. You don’t know all the ways the earth manufactures fossil fuels or the amount of reserves we have. The prediction would be another guess.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Wrong. You should try actually reading peoples' posts.
Scientific theories are comprised of facts.

I did and said facts mixed with opinions aren’t facts any more and used as a deception as I have demonstrated with all the false predictions made in the past.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There are a ton of methods of investigating the past that don't require humans to have been present at all.

Yeah and you can fill in the blanks however you want. Hence millions of years. You say false yet Adam and Eve are the first named human beings and civilization just shows up at that time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Were those predictions made? Yes. Were they wrong? Yes
Why were they wrong? Because they were made by not having all the information.
So, saying we are running out of fossil fuels using incomplete knowledge is the same. You don’t know all the ways the earth manufactures fossil fuels or the amount of reserves we have. The prediction would be another guess.

Sorry, you need to substantiate those claims. Some of them were correct. Some of them were almost certainly taken out of context. You do realize that the whole list is worthless if you cannot support it, don't you? I could post a similar link to how the Bible has been refuted where they quote the Bible out of context. Would that disprove the Bible? I can use the same standards that you are using to "prove" the Bible wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah and you can fill in the blanks however you want. Hence millions of years. You say false yet Adam and Eve are the first named human beings and civilization just shows up at that time.

Civilization predates the biblical time of Adam and Eve.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Civilization predates the biblical time of Adam and Eve.

Not really

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not really

Yes, really.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah and you can fill in the blanks however you want. Hence millions of years. You say false yet Adam and Eve are the first named human beings and civilization just shows up at that time.

Correction: You fill in the blanks however you want. Hence your belief in ancient tales from ancient texts over the findings of modern day science.

Adam and Eve are the first made humans in an old book full of unsubstantiated claims. They weren't actually the first humans on earth. You'd need to demonstrate that is the case and I'm not sure how you'd do that given that human civilization pre-dates the Bible.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

This is a false statement and the Bible isn’t a claim it’s the story of Creation, God’s relationship to people He chose to have a relationship with, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which is Israel now as well as the nations surrounding them even to this day. Their captivity, their return to the land God gave them, the coming of Jesus and the promise of eternal life through Him for the whole world. The end of this age and the New.

You're right, it's just a story.

God has made known what is to come ahead of time and people are still blind to this, Daniel and Revelation speak of the events preceding the end. We are racing there.
But we are talking about fossil fuels and how I believe God created the earth to manufacture oil and gas for our needs, I don’t believe anyone knows how much we have or all the ways the earth manufactures fossil fuels.

Then you clearly don't know enough to discuss this topic. I strongly suggest you try looking in to it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Really simple concerning fossil fuels, much is unknown yet people are making predictions on the incomplete knowledge of what they know. That doesn’t make any sense.

Once again, we make conclusions based on the evidence in front of us. The existence of ignorance does not negate the existence of knowledge.

That fact that you say things like this while claiming the factual authority of the Bible is bizarre.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Most of evidence is in Israel all over the place. God is active in the lives of believers today.

Subjective nonsense.

Buddha is also active in people's lives. So is Muhammed. So is Seth, Ra, Odin, Mithra, etc..

 

[ElishaElijah]

Once again, we make conclusions based on the evidence in front of us. The existence of ignorance does not negate the existence of knowledge.

That fact that you say things like this while claiming the factual authority of the Bible is bizarre.

Have you ever read Daniel or Isaiah and how accurate they are concerning prophecy ?

 

[Stevicus]

Protesters did stop trying when Bush's wars became Obama's.
What was once opposition became acceptance.

Some would say they sold out, but other than that, I agree with you.