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Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
If you don’t know then you can’t say especially when they’ve been wrong so much of the time. So seen as there is much unknown about fossil fuels and no way to know estimates then no I don’t accept the current estimates or running out dates. That being said I’m all for finding new technology for energy, using the best technology for the application.
So you are literally ignoring the facts and making an assumption based entirely on speculation?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Whenever someone says “millions of years” yes I dismiss because that’s code for you have no clue.
Nope, it's just what the facts demonstrate.

Human beings can be traced back to Adam and Eve, we have lineage and genealogy to prove that.
I would absolutely love to see this proof.

Also, I find it odd that you take this position when there are new discoveries and technologies affecting genealogy all the time. So, surely, you making any definite assertion about it is just a guess, right? I mean, if you want to be ideologically consistent.

Scientists say we used this or that to prove the age but they have no idea what was going on millions of years ago because human beings weren’t around.
So you are arguing against the core concept of inductive reasoning, then?

What I believe is God created the Earth and everything in it, He sustains and provides for His creation, especially human beings created in His Image. Are resources finite? Yes I believe they are. When will they be exhausted? When God ends this current Heaven and Earth and provides a New Heaven and Earth. From what I’m seeing around the world it may be sooner than later. That’s my view
Fine. You can have your view.

Unfortunately, your belief has absolutely no impact on reality. Reality will continue to be reality regardless of what you believe. This doesn't mean it necessarily contradicts your beliefs, but any set of beliefs which require you to reject reality must by definition be false.

To be clear, this doesn't mean your beliefs HAVE to be in-line with scientific reasoning. Your beliefs can be completely unscientific. But if your beliefs require complete denial of scientific facts and reasoning, then your beliefs are shaky at best. It is not difficult to reconcile non-scientific beliefs with a worldview that still acknowledges and accepts the factual discoveries of science. A huge percentage of the world's scientists are religious.

I also find this belief that it doesn't matter what we do with our resources to be extremely short-sighted and harmful. Would you argue that it doesn't matter what humans choose to do, because God will inevitably sort it out anyway? Do you not see how that outlook is potentially dangerous and extremely arrogant?
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Whenever someone says “millions of years” yes I dismiss because that’s code for you have no clue.
I think it's you who have no clue. Do you understand why science says millions of years? Are you familiar with the various methods of dating?
Human beings can be traced back to Adam and Eve, we have lineage and genealogy to prove that.
No, we don't. This is unsupported folklore.
Do you understand what "prove" even means? Do you understand what evidence is, and how it's properly evaluated? Are your sources of this information reliable, tested, or even falsifiable?
Scientists say we used this or that to prove the age but they have no idea what was going on millions of years ago because human beings weren’t around.
So you accept only eyewitness evidence? Do you realize eyewitness evidence is about the least reliable form of evidence. Do you realize the computer in front of you, and most of the technology you use every day, is based on unwitnessed and counter-intuitive technology?
What I believe is God created the Earth and everything in it, He sustains and provides for His creation, especially human beings created in His Image.
Yes, I believe you believe this, but not for good reasons. This is faith-based belief, not fact based. Faith is unwarranted belief.
Are resources finite? Yes I believe they are. When will they be exhausted? When God ends this current Heaven and Earth and provides a New Heaven and Earth. From what I’m seeing around the world it may be sooner than later. That’s my view
So you believe God will rescue us, in the end, so we need not worry overmuch about the growing damage we're causing. This is a dangerous faith.[/quote][/quote]
 
So you believe God will rescue us, in the end, so we need not worry overmuch about the growing damage we're causing. This is a dangerous faith.
Didn’t say or insinuate any such thing, these type of comments are typical, made up out of your own heart and mind. This thinking is all yours and never thought such a thing.
We are stewards of God’s Creation, He is the owner.
So just to clarify, God provides for His Creation, He will until He decides to end this current Age as He said in Revelation and other places in the Bible. I can see this unfolding right now in the world. We are to use the resources He provides as well as take care of the Earth not ruin it.
 
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Yes, I believe you believe this, but not for good reasons. This is faith-based belief, not fact based. Faith is unwarranted belief.
I have very good reasons because He promised and has provided for our family for the last 25 years, faithfully. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by God’s Word.
Your definition of faith is just presumption.
 
I would absolutely love to see this proof.
Matthew and Luke. The Jews kept great records of genealogy and we have these records. There are no records past Adam and Eve. Scientists say this or that but the names stop at Adam and Eve. All kind of human activity from Adam and Eve onward for writing and civilization.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
NPR is running repeated interviews with the tearful
father of a soldier who is one of the 13 killed in the
bombing during the war's end. They've had many
other pieces criticizing exiting the Afghan war.
They never had such weepy eyed criticism when
Obama oversaw far more deaths. Why?
I see a strong possibility that the left (NPR) favor
war to fix ****hole countries, & make them over
in our image.
The left loves to paint only the right as imperialist.
Don't they own mirrors?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
A theory isn’t a fact and you cannot prove millions of years ago, it’s a guess. No human being was here to say or observe anything.
Once again, what you are arguing here is against inductive reasoning. By your logic, we can dismiss the entire Biblical record because almost none of it was written as contemporary accounts.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Matthew and Luke. The Jews kept great records of genealogy and we have these records. There are no records past Adam and Eve. Scientists say this or that but the names stop at Adam and Eve. All kind of human activity from Adam and Eve onward for writing and civilization.
Except none of those records are contemporaneous or even remotely supported by a shred of actual evidence.

So, you don't like guesses or assertions unless they happen to be guesses or assertions made that support things you believe?

When people reach conclusions based on evidence, it's speculation or guesses. When a book makes a claim that has no evidence or support behind it whatsoever, it's proof.

Do you not see the hypocrisy you are employing here?
 
When people reach conclusions based on evidence, it's speculation or guesses. When a book makes a claim that has no evidence or support behind it whatsoever, it's proof.
This is a false statement and the Bible isn’t a claim it’s the story of Creation, God’s relationship to people He chose to have a relationship with, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which is Israel now as well as the nations surrounding them even to this day. Their captivity, their return to the land God gave them, the coming of Jesus and the promise of eternal life through Him for the whole world. The end of this age and the New.
God has made known what is to come ahead of time and people are still blind to this, Daniel and Revelation speak of the events preceding the end. We are racing there.
But we are talking about fossil fuels and how I believe God created the earth to manufacture oil and gas for our needs, I don’t believe anyone knows how much we have or all the ways the earth manufactures fossil fuels.
 
Once again, what you are arguing here is against inductive reasoning. By your logic, we can dismiss the entire Biblical record because almost none of it was written as contemporary accounts.
Really simple concerning fossil fuels, much is unknown yet people are making predictions on the incomplete knowledge of what they know. That doesn’t make any sense.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
A theory isn’t a fact and you cannot prove millions of years ago, it’s a guess. No human being was here to say or observe anything.
Scientific "facts" are about the most reliable ones out there. Yes, some of them need to be tuned a bit here and there, but you will find a tough time finding anything that comes even close to the scientific standard of what is and what is not a fact.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Most of evidence is in Israel all over the place. God is active in the lives of believers today.
I doubt it. Most believers lack a proper understanding of the concept of evidence. One cannot take observations out of context. Most of the evidence that I have seen refutes the Bible. Yes, some of it is confirmed, but very little.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
NPR is running repeated interviews with the tearful
father of a soldier who is one of the 13 killed in the
bombing during the war's end. They've had many
other pieces criticizing exiting the Afghan war.
They never had such weepy eyed criticism when
Obama oversaw far more deaths. Why?
I see a strong possibility that the left (NPR) favor
war to fix ****hole countries, & make them over
in our image.
The left loves to paint only the right as imperialist.
Don't they own mirrors?

I think if we're talking about the establishment left, that may be true. However, I've also seen plenty (who might regarded as "fringe") strongly oppose the war all along.

When I was growing up, a lot of people were firmly against the Vietnam War (where tens of thousands more Americans died than in Afghanistan, which is a significant difference).

With Afghanistan, it was different, especially after the death of Bin Laden. It seemed to be played up more as a "wolf by the ears" situation. We didn't really want to be there, but letting go seemed an irresponsible option.

There were no communists to fight in Afghanistan. Our enemies were ostensibly fighting for a different ideology and a different cause, thus making the battle for hearts and minds a completely different kettle of fish.

Ever since WW2, both parties favored an internationalistic foreign policy; the isolationists had been thoroughly ostracized and discredited in the eyes of the American people. The general policy of containment and the philosophy which justified has become a cornerstone in our foreign and military policies - embraced by professionals and experts in those fields, and propagated by both major political parties. Both touted themselves as patriotic and pro-American, different only by degrees. Both believed in American exceptionalism.
 
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