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Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
If you really believed what you preach you would be willing to test your beliefs properly.
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The real test is do God’s principles work in everyday life and they do. Science shows it’s weakness in that it cannot test spiritual matters. The real question is why are you so obsessed in trying to disprove things you have never experienced or known yourself?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
The real test is do God’s principles work in everyday life and they do. Science shows it’s weakness in that it cannot test spiritual matters. The real question is why are you so obsessed in trying to disprove things you have never experienced or known yourself?
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No, that is not a real test since almost any religion passes that test when believers are involved. You are saying that Hinduism is as correct as Christianity with that standard.

And science has nothing to say about spiritual matters. Most scientists do not seem to think that they are real. Since this is your claim and your belief the burden of proof, and the testing, is upon you.

Do you realize that there are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and others that have the same sort of "confirmed" faith that you have?
 
ElishaElijah

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Do you realize that there are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and others that have the same sort of "confirmed" faith that you have?
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They don’t they are religions of works to get into Heaven. Heaven isn’t according to works it’s according to His mercy and is a gift.
“And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:6-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
They don’t they are religions of works to get into Heaven. Heaven isn’t according to works it’s according to His mercy and is a gift.
“And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:6-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬
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They really do. They are just as likely to go to "heaven" as you are.

And the Bible cannot help you here. The Bible is merely the claim and not the evidence.
 
ImmortalFlame

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ElishaElijah said:
Daniel and Isaiah prophecies were spoken before events occurred and were fulfilled and some haven’t happened yet. For example God showed Daniel the Kingdoms that would come after Babylonian rule till the coming of Jesus. So far the
Media/Persian, Greek, Roman empires have come and gone just like God said, we are in the final days of the last kingdom, it’s obvious for me to
see, a lot of people don’t. Jesus also said in Matthew 24 this would be the case.
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So you're answer is "No", then.

People make claims like these about lots of holy books, and the "prophecies" almost universally turn out to be unspecific or very obvious.
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
If that’s what you believe then you don’t understand God, Christianity or the message of the Bible.
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Your version of God does not seem to exist. And my understanding of Christianity and the Bible is fine. Probably better than yours. I am not afraid to properly test one's beliefs. The error that you just made was to assume that the Biblical version is factual.
 
ElishaElijah

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SkepticThinker said:
Is that your serious answer?
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ImmortalFlame said:
So you're answer is "No", then.

People make claims like these about lots of holy books, and the "prophecies" almost universally turn out to be unspecific or very obvious.
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Daniel’s prophecies we’re so exact, as well as all the prophecies in that book people thought it was written after the fact. So the answer is yes. I’m assuming since you’re speaking of the Bible that you actually have read it and are familiar, if not I can post the chapter for you.
 
ElishaElijah

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ImmortalFlame said:
People make claims like these about lots of holy books, and the "prophecies" almost universally turn out to be unspecific or very obvious.
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In 1948 Israel became a nation after being scattered, God has been bringing his people from the North, South, East and West and Ezekiel prophesied this:
“Again the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone. “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. “ ‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, people of Israel! “ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt. The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through it. They will say, “This land that was laid waste has become like the garden of Eden; the cities that were lying in ruins, desolate and destroyed, are now fortified and inhabited.” Then the nations around you that remain will know that I the Lord have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate. I the Lord have spoken, and I will do it.’ “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Once again I will yield to Israel’s plea and do this for them: I will make their people as numerous as sheep, as numerous as the flocks for offerings at Jerusalem during her appointed festivals. So will the ruined cities be filled with flocks of people. Then they will know that I am the Lord.””
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:16-38‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
Daniel’s prophecies we’re so exact, as well as all the prophecies in that book people thought it was written after the fact. So the answer is yes. I’m assuming since you’re speaking of the Bible that you actually have read it and are familiar, if not I can post the chapter for you.
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No, that was not what led to the conclusion that the book of Daniel was not written by Daniel.

And the prophecies of Daniel are far from exact. That is shown by the different interpretations of them in Christianity today.
 
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