Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

[ElishaElijah]

Please support that claim. Quote from my link. I am pretty sure that you just typed the first nonsense that came into your head, but I could be wrong.

I was talking about Daniel chapter 2 and your link doesn’t make sense, did you vet that? You agree with their interpretation of Daniel? I don’t

 

[Valjean]

Buddha was cremated and Muhammed still in the tomb, Jesus tomb is empty because He is in Heaven ready to return.

According to the legend, anyway. There's no real evidence this ever happened, and it seems highly unlikely.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Please support that claim. Quote from my link. I am pretty sure that you just typed the first nonsense that came into your head, but I could be wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was talking about Daniel chapter 2 and your link doesn’t make sense, did you vet that? You agree with their interpretation of Daniel? I don’t

You mentioned the statue in Daniel 2 and thought that somehow refuted my link. It appears that you have no idea what was in it. In other words it was a giant non sequitur.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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LOL!

That was not in my link. Here it is again:

The Failure of Daniel's Prophecies

 

[Valjean]

The demonstration is we haven’t run out

Are you serious?
We've only begun to use fossil fuels. In a scant hundred years or so we've made a significant dent in sources. We're having to seek new sources in difficult to access sites.
Do you really believe God designed the world for our use, and is making sure we always have all we want? You're living in a religious fantasy; a dream contrary to all available evidence.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

In 1948 Israel became a nation after being scattered, God has been bringing his people from the North, South, East and West and Ezekiel prophesied this:
“Again the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone. “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. “ ‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, people of Israel! “ ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns, and the ruins will be rebuilt. The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through it. They will say, “This land that was laid waste has become like the garden of Eden; the cities that were lying in ruins, desolate and destroyed, are now fortified and inhabited.” Then the nations around you that remain will know that I the Lord have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was desolate. I the Lord have spoken, and I will do it.’ “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Once again I will yield to Israel’s plea and do this for them: I will make their people as numerous as sheep, as numerous as the flocks for offerings at Jerusalem during her appointed festivals. So will the ruined cities be filled with flocks of people. Then they will know that I am the Lord.””
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:16-38‬ ‭NIV‬‬

You realise that one of the main reasons the state of Israel was formed was a massive, multi-national effort in order to try and fulfill this prophecy, right?

That's about as miraculous as ordering steak at a restaurant and then being brought a steak.

And, once again, you have yet to acknowledge any of the countless other "prophecies" made by any other holy book. Ones that apparently "came true" without several nations and millions of people FORCING them to come true through murdering and displacing hundreds of thousands of people.

 

[Valjean]

Jesus tomb is empty, many people saw Him after he rose from the dead. He said He was sending the Holy Spirit to live in believers. This happened at Pentecost 50 days after Jesus rose from the dead. We are currently in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit comes and lives in every person that repents of their sin and believes the Gospel. This is called being born again of the Spirit. That’s how we speak and here from Jesus Christ now till He returns. ( Through the Holy Spirit).

How is this any different from the legends and folklore of any other religion or society?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You realise that one of the main reasons the state of Israel was formed was a massive, multi-national effort in order to try and fulfill this prophecy, right?

That's about as miraculous as ordering steak at a restaurant and then being brought a steak.

And, once again, you have yet to acknowledge any of the countless other "prophecies" made by any other holy book. Ones that apparently "came true" without several nations and millions of people FORCING them to come true through murdering and displacing hundreds of thousands of people.

Except no other book has predicted these events, the Bible has. So when the anti-Christ comes will you believe he is fulfilling Bible prophecy because he read it and wants to prove God right?

 

[ElishaElijah]

How is this any different from the legends and folklore of any other religion or society?

The question makes me think you don’t know what different religions teach.

 

[Valjean]

So when are we going to be out of fossil fuels and exhausted our supply?

We won't exhaust the fuels, they'll just become too expensive or hazardous to access. Economics will necessitate a shift to other energy sources.

Your statement is false: This is what happened and the tomb was known by most everyone.

Yet each gospel gives a different account.
“As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:57-61‬ ‭NIV‬‬[/QUOTE]This is unevidenced. It's folklore; no different from the folklore of a hundred other traditions.

Please show us some actual evidence for any of these claims. NB: Bible citations are not evidence.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You realise that one of the main reasons the state of Israel was formed was a massive, multi-national effort in order to try and fulfill this prophecy, right?

God made it known ahead of time because he already knows the future and proved it. When God
says something will happen it does.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Please show us some actual evidence for any of these claims. NB: Bible citations are not evidence.

Bible citations are evidence because it’s the “family” record. Why would other nations or people keep a record of Israel or the Church unless they
were a part of them?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except no other book has predicted these events, the Bible has. So when the anti-Christ comes will you believe he is fulfilling Bible prophecy because he read it and wants to prove God right?

The Bible did not predict it either. At least not on that date. People had to invent all sorts of fictitious reinterpretations to try to get the dates to "work". That is not a fulfillment of prophecy. That is a reinterpretation after the fact.

 

[Valjean]

I’ve read the different views and some agree with your position and some don’t. Like I said it’s divided. My view and experience is that the Bible is true and accurate but some people missrepresent the truth or don’t believe it and some do. Some believe and are saved, some reject and are not.

No, the history is the history, The evidence is what it is. Only the faithful True Believers dispute the lack of evidence or unknown authorship. Real scholars and historians agree have long been aware of the questionable historicity and authorship.
It's not divided, any more than the question of spherical vs flat Earth is divided. There are always a few outliers with completely unevidenced opinions.

You believe the bible is true and accurate. How can something that contradicts itself so many times be true and accurate?

ElishaElijah said: ↑
I’ve been living out God’s Word for the last 30+ years and found that God is faithful to His promises and live the abundant life that Jesus promised, blessing to blessing.Before that I lived according to the wisdom of the world and ended up spiritually, emotionally and physically bankrupt.
So no will not listen to those you get your counsel from.

You've lived a pleasant life for 30 years, and you think that's evidence that your theology is true? What about the thousands of others, with radically different opinions, who've led pleasant lives guided by their particular religious beliefs?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You believe the bible is true and accurate. How can something that contradicts itself so many times be true and accurate?

The Gospel writers didn’t contradict themselves, they shared different perspectives of the same event, this is not a contradiction like many suppose. Harmony of the Gospels and when you put all of them together you get a clearer picture of the events.

 

[Valjean]

Well yes because if you seriously believe that the only fossil fuels available were from decomposition of dinosaurs and animals we would’ve already run out.

1. Why do you believe anyone's saying we'd already have run out?
2. There are reasons people believe fossil fuels are products of ancient organic matter. There is evidence. Where is the evidence of continuous replacement?
All opinions aren't equal. Only those backed by empirical evidence need be seriously considered.

"...decompozition of of dinosaurs and animals?" Where'd you get that idea?

ElishaElijah said: ↑
Well yes, when a person has faith (they hear the gospel and believe what God says and promises) repents and believes the gospel. At that time God gives this person the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of the inheritance of eternal life. This isn’t a made up experience or event, a person is changed and can communicate with God now.

So if they already believe God will verify their belief and give them the Holy Spirit?
That's convenient.
Don't you think people from other religions might claim the same thing?

EE, You keep making these claims, but you're not backing them up. You're just preaching. Without actual evidence your opinions are just speculation, and won't convince anyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Gospel writers didn’t contradict themselves, they shared different perspectives of the same event, this is not a contradiction like many suppose. Harmony of the Gospels and when you put all of them together you get a clearer picture of the events.

No, it is pretty clear that they contradicted each other. Especially when John has a different day for the crucifixion than the other Gospels do:

There are two different dates and times for the crucifixion of Jesus

"In this example, there have been plenty of attempts by apologists to reconcile these two conflicting dates, speculating that perhaps John was using some different way of telling time or perhaps in one of the narratives Jesus decided to celebrate the Passover one day earlier, and thus it can be called “Passover” in that narrative, even while the other narratives refer to that date as “before Passover.” However, none of these highly speculative attempts have ever been taken seriously, and today, the view of mainstream New Testament scholars remains that:

“John differs from the Synoptic Gospels also in the date which he gives for the crucifixion:

According to Mark the last supper was a Passover meal; that is, it was eaten in the early hours of Nisan 15; the arrest and trial took place in the same night and in the course of the next (solar) day Jesus was crucified. All these events took place on Nisan 15. “

-According to John the crucifixion happened on Nisan 14, the day before the Passover; the last supper must have been eaten the preceding evening. Thus the events are set a day earlier than in Mark, and the last supper is no longer the Paschal meal; Jesus died at the time when the Passover sacrifices were being killed in the Temple. Here again is a real contradiction; it seems impossible to reconcile the dates.”

– C. K. Barrett, President of the Society for New Testament Studies (1973)"

 

[Valjean]

The real test is do God’s principles work in everyday life and they do.

How is this a test?

Science shows it’s weakness in that it cannot test spiritual matters. The real question is why are you so obsessed in trying to disprove things you have never experienced or known yourself?

How is withholding opinions on things for which there is no evidence a weakness?

They don’t they are religions of works to get into Heaven. Heaven isn’t according to works it’s according to His mercy and is a gift.

Why do you say this? Some religions don't even believe in Heaven. You're just preaching again. You're spouting unsupported doctrine. Why do you keep doing this? I could claim we all go to Candyland when we die and ride unicorns. Why is this claim any less credible than yours?

“And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:6-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Why do you quote the Bible? Give us some evidence it's an authoritative source. I could quote The Chronicles of Narnia, but without supporting evidence it would be as baseless as Biblical quotations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And in regards to fossil fuels why didn't you ask what the evidence is that they are the results of decay of dead critters (very scientific term there)?

People that point out the countless errors in the Bible do not do so because they do not want to believe. They do so because they want to know the truth.