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Leftie Students Are Completely Silent on the Bigotry of Islam

As long as the Left doesn't challenge Muslim homophobia, there will be Muslim homophobia. I don't know what Asian community you are from (I am from Japanese) but if your family is Muslim, you've likely got a lot of prejudice to challenge.
This is what has happened to our University students.
And the left's silence on Islam's bigotry is just one example of the way student politics is a maelstrom of nonsense.
Never has the criticism of religion, especially political Islamism, been more important and necessary.
And never have we been more afraid.
The left's Muslim blindspot must be eradicated - let's look at misogyny, homophobia and antisemitism colour-blind. Muslim, or not, I don't care.
But the left does care, and they say it's a myth that some Muslims are homophobic, sexist and antisemitic.
I don't think so, and I'm a liberal that fights racism and all the other isms. That's why I focus disproportionately on Muslims, because Muslims are disproportionately antisemitic, misogynist and homophobic.
You can't argue that a religion that doesn't allow female imams isn't misogynist. While the West is making strides in equality for women, and now feminism has thus moved on to banknotes and statues outside Parliament (two prominent feminist campaigns that have happened in the UK), women are physically genitally mutilated in the Muslim world, forced to cover up by law, married at a young age (legally), have no choice about clothing, have less rights than men in marriage, are treated as properly, maritally raped legally in over ten countries (including Indonesia, home to >80m Muslim women), treated unfairly in court testimonies, not allowed to enter mosques, become imams, are beaten, whipped, lashed, violently attacked, shot for going to school, kept at home, abused, brain-washed, and more.
The statistics are startling.
Christianity does it too, but not as much, due to reform movements.
Same with Judaism (half of Jews are liberal/reform Jews).
"In Islam, men and women are equal. The racists propagate lies about the religion. Women have more rights in Islam than any other religion."
So, those students need to get their act together, and stop throwing bins, screaming and flapping their arms. Oh, and stop changing LBGTQIDSSHIDUFHSDKFBSCGLSDFJBFHSDfJSDH13984328489 every week. That's a bit confusing (sorry!). I'm concerned because Peter Tatchell, human rights campaigner and indiscriminate fighter against homophobia (He has been called Islamaphobic as he often picks on Islam) says, in The Spectator: "'the new alphabet soup is a confusing and alienating mess — made even worse when people get into spats over missing initials or the inclusion of initials they disagree with. The longest I’ve ever seen is LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA. This is absurd. It makes us a laughing stock and devalues serious issues around sexuality and gender.’" And if HE is so concerned, I am concerned too.
They should be against all intolerance, indiscriminately. And should support ex-muslims to speak out against intolerance and Islamism.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I lean left, and although I don't know how common it actually is, it baffles me when people who normally denounce homophobia and misogyny turn around and defend a worldview that embraces homophobia and misogyny.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I lean left, and although I don't know how common it actually is, it baffles me when people who normally denounce homophobia and misogyny turn around and defend a worldview that embraces homophobia and misogyny.
Do they, though?

I must say it's far more common, IMPE, at least, to see people who are pretty virulently homophobic any other time only denounce homophobia when they can use it as a stick with which to bash Islam. To my knowledge I have never seen anyone who is generally pro-LGBT rights excuse homophobia just because Muslims are doing it.

Could it be this is one of those complex issues where one is sometimes forced to speak in defence of a flawed group, being strawmanned with false dicotomies for the purpose of liberal bashing?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Yeah, that's a lazy and dishonest term used to dismiss any valid criticism and scrutiny of questionable beliefs and practices.
Except for all the times it's a valid criticism of people looking for ad hoc justifications of their pre-existing anti-Muslim stance.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Except for all the times it's a valid criticism of people looking for ad hoc justifications of their pre-existing anti-Muslim stance.



Why, in your opinion, they are the only religious denomination, in my country, which hasn't signed an agreement with the state yet?

In my country a religion can be officially recognized only if their representatives sign an agreement with the state (very inflexible, I admit it) where they accept to recognize their juridic subordination to the secular laws and the Constitution.
Like gender equality, monogamous matrimony, etc...

These are the religious denominations that signed the agreement:
- RCC
- Six Protestant Churches (Waldensians, Lutherans, Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Apostolicals)
- Orthodox Church
- LDS Church
- JW
- Judaism
- Buddhism
- Hinduism
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
We can start with anyone who uses the dishonest term "Islamophobia".

Unfortunately it's a term that is misused by the English judiciary to ban and jail people...arbitrarily.

but I can't see any difference with Christianophobia.

You have the right to fear any religion, imho
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Why is that a dishonest term and why would use or application of it necessarily have anything to do with "left?"

The American left has showed double standards too many times, that is: it is ok to criticize Christianity...and in fact I never hear of the term Christianophobia from them.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Why, in your opinion, they are the only religious denomination, in my country, which hasn't signed an agreement with the state yet?

In my country a religion can be officially recognized only if their representatives sign an agreement with the state (very inflexible, I admit it) where they accept to recognize their juridic subordination to the secular laws and the Constitution.
Like gender equality, monogamous matrimony, etc...

These are the religious denominations that signed the agreement:
- RCC
- Six Protestant Churches (Waldensians, Lutherans, Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Apostolicals)
- Orthodox Church
- LDS Church
- JW
- Judaism
- Buddhism
- Hinduism
Beats me. Ask them, maybe? Not really sure how that's relevant here, nor do I think those are the ONLY religions, but whatever.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Beats me. Ask them, maybe? Not really sure how that's relevant here, nor do I think those are the ONLY religions, but whatever.

Well...they said they cannot accept our secular law because it's too strict. Or quoting their representative "it looks like a police-state imposition"
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think some conflate "criticism" with "religious bigotry". When Trump tried to ban all Muslims from emigrating to the U.S., that's "religious bigotry". To say that Muslims want shari'a in the U.S., that's not only "religious bigotry", it's also a lie-- only some do.

As one who feels strongly about the issues of equality, I do not accept Islamic teachings that go against that, much like I don't accept Jewish and Christian teachings like that as well. But what some do is to condemn the Muslim teachings on that but ignore the Jewish and Christian teachings that are similar.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No you didn't. You asked a loaded question, without providing any reason to think that what you say Muslims did was a reason to be anti-Islam.

I won't respect a religious denomination that doesn't bow to the secular law of my country.
Despite all attempts to convince them to sign the agreement.

Sounds like a good reason to me.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I won't respect a religious denomination that doesn't bow to the secular law of my country.
Despite all attempts to convince them to sign the agreement.

Sounds like a good reason to me.
Unless Muslims are generally refusing to abide by your laws at a significantly greater rate than individuals from any other group, it sounds like nonsense.

Who would you want to sign it, any way? Who speaks for all Muslims in your country?
 
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