Leftie Students Are Completely Silent on the Bigotry of Islam

[Shad]

Where is it legal in the US, then?

I said it was legal for adults not everyone and only in specific states. Fed law only covers minors not adults. Saying it is illegal when in fact adults can have it done is the inaccuracy. It is why Mich passed it's own law. More so in the court system charges are often made within State jurisdiction not Federal. Without a Dtate law the court setting changes to federal which is smaller than State systems and the case is burdened with the delays within that system.


Completely illegal for all ages in the following states. Arz, Cali, Col, Del, Flr, Gga, Illo, Kan, Lou, Ml, Mich, Min, Missouri, Nev, NH, NJ, NY, ND, Ok, Or, RI, SD, Ten, Tex, Vir, WV, and Wis.

 

[Shad]

I don't believe that is happening in any Western Country.

Councils are being argued for in the UK as a legitimate form of arbitration.

 

[Shad]

FGM is indeed terrible. It has nothing to do with sharia, little enough to do with Islam at all,

Legal in nations with Sharia. Argued for in Islamic schools of thought. Found all over the Muslim world. It has a lot to do with Islam.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Legal in nations with Sharia. Argued for in Islamic schools of thought. Found all over the Muslim world. It has a lot to do with Islam.

Again, a cultural, not religious practice, and still an utter red herring considering the initial point was about "under the radar sharia courts in Western countries"

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Councils are being argued for in the UK as a legitimate form of arbitration.

Just as rabbinical and cannon law courts already are, for members of the relevant groups who consent to traditional arbitration. A. I don't see the problem with that, B. absolutely not going to involve Shariah courts cutting peoples' limbs off, or in any way going to effect non-Muslims, the two scare points most pushed by demagogues.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I said it was legal for adults not everyone and only in specific states. Fed law only covers minors not adults. Saying it is illegal when in fact adults can have it done is the inaccuracy. It is why Mich passed it's own law. More so in the court system charges are often made within State jurisdiction not Federal. Without a Dtate law the court setting changes to federal which is smaller than State systems and the case is burdened with the delays within that system.


Completely illegal for all ages in the following states. Arz, Cali, Col, Del, Flr, Gga, Illo, Kan, Lou, Ml, Mich, Min, Missouri, Nev, NH, NJ, NY, ND, Ok, Or, RI, SD, Ten, Tex, Vir, WV, and Wis.

Adults who are having it done, I would assume, are able to consent or seek legal redress if it is done against their will, no?

 

[Estro Felino]

Just as rabbinical and canon law courts already are, for members of the relevant groups who consent to traditional arbitration. .

That's the issue Armoured
The RCC and the Jewish communities have accepted to sign an agreement which makes those Courts non juridic in Italy.

Arbitration in Italy
A verdict delivered by a non-governmental authority must be validated by a ItalianCourt to be effective.

Islamic chiefs here won't sign because the agreement we imposed on them, dictates:
- that sharia is illegal since it's incompatible with gender equality ex art 2 Const.
- that all sermons in mosques must be held in Italian
- that polygamous marriages are null de jure and preclude civil marriage
-that Islamic schools cannot be recognized as equivalent to public education

 

[Shad]

Again, a cultural, not religious practice,

Islamic culture as it found across two continents with Islam being common. Also there are schools of thought endorsing it.

and still an utter red herring considering the initial point was about "under the radar sharia courts in Western countries"

Nope as I was responding to a specific point.

Just as rabbinical and cannon law courts already are, for members of the relevant groups who consent to traditional arbitration. A. I don't see the problem with that, B. absolutely not going to involve Shariah courts cutting peoples' limbs off, or in any way going to effect non-Muslims, the two scare points most pushed by demagogues.

None should be the grounds for arbitration in any secular system.

Adults who are having it done, I would assume, are able to consent or seek legal redress if it is done against their will, no?

What are you talking about? That would be kidnapping which is illegal regardless of FGM. You stated an inaccuracy. I corrected you. Time to move.

 

[metis]

Fed law covers 18 and younger.

When it comes to matter dealing with the 1st Amendment and all other Constitutional mandates, federal law covers adults, plus one is legally considered an adult at 18.

 

[Shad]

When it comes to matter dealing with the 1st Amendment and all other Constitutional mandates, federal law covers adults, plus one is legally considered an adult at 18.

Not Federal law covering FGM

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116

 

[metis]

Not Federal law covering FGM

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116

That's because said party as an adult can make her own decision here in the States. If she were to be forced, that's an "assault", and that obviously can be prosecuted.

My comment did not deal with FGM, which might be my fault in that I may not have seen what led up to the post I responded to in that regard as I was trying to make up for lost time on various threads.

BTW, as you're probably aware of, there are many people who think that male circumcision of infants by Jews, Muslims, and others is MGM and should be banned. I don't take that position, but I do have to admit that there can be a case made for that.

 

[Kirran]

Legal in nations with Sharia. Argued for in Islamic schools of thought. Found all over the Muslim world. It has a lot to do with Islam.

EDIT: Oh, we're having image problems still. If you can't see the picture, hit 'Reply' and it'll be visible there.

 

[Shad]

EDIT: Oh, we're having image problems still. If you can't see the picture, hit 'Reply' and it'll be visible there.

Too bad you didn't read the rest of the page you got the image from. It includes a list of nations outside of Africa such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FGM_prevalence_0–14_(2016).jpg

 

[Shad]

That's because said party as an adult can make her own decision here in the States. If she were to be forced, that's an "assault", and that obviously can be prosecuted.

States have banned it for any age as it has been deemed harmful regardless of the age of the person.

My comment did not deal with FGM, which might be my fault in that I may not have seen what led up to the post I responded to in that regard as I was trying to make up for lost time on various threads.

No problem.

BTW, as you're probably aware of, there are many people who think that male circumcision of infants by Jews, Muslims, and others is MGM and should be banned. I don't take that position, but I do have to admit that there can be a case made for that.

Yup. Likewise it has been deemed harmful and unnecessary in most cases it is done. I am for making it illegal as well at least as it is used in religion.

 

[Kirran]

Too bad you didn't read the rest of the page you got the image from. It includes a list of nations outside of Africa such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FGM_prevalence_0–14_(2016).jpg

Yes, true, I know. But it is neither universal among Muslims nor unique to them.

 

[Shad]

Yes, true, I know. But it is neither universal among Muslims nor unique to them.

Sure. It is still a problem within Islam when there are text supporting it, providing guidelines and is being endorsed by Islamic leadership at various levels.

 

[Kirran]

Sure. It is still a problem within Islam when there are text supporting it, providing guidelines and is being endorsed by Islamic leadership at various levels.

Can you give an example of texts supporting it?

All I am aware of is a widely-unaccepted hadith.

 

[Shad]

Can you give an example of texts supporting it?

All I am aware of is a widely-unaccepted hadith.

A few comment back I linked one Islamic site talking about the subject and arguments for. Check it out.

 

[metis]

FGM is very uncommon here in the west and in most of Asia, and my understanding is that it is in decline in Africa. Not to say there hasn't been any here in the States, I have not run across a single case here where we have a large Islamic community.

Here, and please note the part I underlined:
Surveys have shown a widespread belief, particularly in Mali, Mauritania, Guinea and Egypt, that FGM is a religious requirement.[131] Gruenbaum has argued that practitioners may not distinguish between religion, tradition and chastity, making it difficult to interpret the data.[132] FGM's origins in northeastern Africa are pre-Islamic, but the practice became associated with Islam because of that religion's focus on female chastity and seclusion.[r] There is no mention of it in theQuran.[134] It is praised in a few daʻīf (weak) hadith (sayings attributed to Muhammad) as noble but not required.[135][136] In 2007 the Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research in Cairo ruled that FGM had "no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions".[137][t]

There is no mention of FGM in the Bible.[139] Christian missionaries in Africa were among the first to object to FGM,[140] but Christian communities in Africa do practise it. A 2013 UNICEF report identified 17 African countries in which at least 10 percent of Christian women and girls aged 15 to 49 had undergone FGM; in Niger 55 percent of Christian women and girls had experienced it, compared with two percent of their Muslim counterparts.[141] The only Jewish group known to have practised it are the Beta Israel of Ethiopia. Judaism requires male circumcision, but does not allow FGM.[142] FGM is also practised by animist groups, particularly in Guinea and Mali.[143] -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Religion

Oops-- oh well.