Leftists suggest re-education camps, firing squads, banning talk radio to deprogram Trump supporters

[Wu Wei]

Say it often enuf, & it feels true.

Actually that is one of the preferred ways to spread propaganda, it was in Goebbels propaganda toolbox...but he did not start using it. It was used long before him

 

[Audie]

Actually that is one of the preferred ways to spread propaganda, it was in Goebbels propaganda toolbox...but he did not start using it. It was used long before him

As many as 20,000 times!

 

[ecco]

"Phantoms"? Precisely who did the MSM brainwash? Please be clear so that I can determine whether or not you are accusing me of being brainwashed.

Since you opt to report people for RF violations I just want to make certain who you accused of being brainwashed by the MSM since that might be a reportable offense.

*Clicks ignore*. I'm not in the mood.

Now you are not in the mood.
You were in the mood to baselessly threaten to report me.
You were in the mood to baselessly assert that I was brainwashed.
You were in the mood to baselessly accuse the MSM of brainwashing people.

Now you are not in the mood. Are you not in the mood because you cannot support your false accusations?

Ignoring my comments is probably easier than having to support your phony allegations.

 

[Wu Wei]

As many as 20,000 times!

"No, not that many".....now repeat that 20,000 times and you will agree with me

I did not know the number of repeats, but I knew it was a lot. And when you are dealing with a population, I believe saturation of the propaganda makes a difference as well. You may have heard the misinformation a few times, but if everyone around you tells you it is true....you doubt yourself and then soon....you too are a believer

 

[Audie]

"No, not that many".....now repeat that 20,000 times and you will agree with me

I did not know the number of repeats, but I knew it was a lot. And when you are dealing with a population, I believe saturation of the propaganda makes a difference as well. You may have heard the misinformation a few times, but if everyone around you tells you it is true....you doubt yourself and then soon....you too are a believer

Or on, say efficacy of masks, don't believe anyone.

 

[Wu Wei]

Or on, say efficacy of masks, don't believe anyone.

Now that's just crazy talk and communist propaganda

 

[Audie]

Now that's just crazy talk and communist propaganda

Close but not quite...anyone who believes what they say about masks IS a communist, morally weak, or, simply, insane.

 

[ecco]

- unknowingly, without realizing the harm he's inflicting on the country and the world.

- knowing full well what he's doing and supporting that wilfully.

My bet, and that of professionals, is the latter...

What happens when a narcissist loses?

What happens when a narcissist loses? Expect "rage" and "terror," psychologists warn
"A truly significant loss… may trigger not only a reign of terror but destruction without limit," one expert says
By MATTHEW ROZSA
OCTOBER 28, 2020 11:00PM (UTC)

"They will just stand there, poignantly in their Superman pajamas and say NO, I am NOT going to bed, and drop to the ground and scream," she explained. "Plan on an adult version of that. As is often the case when a difficult personality style like this faces disappointment we tend to see a cascade of reactions – oppositionality, denial, rage, despair, paranoia, more rage, entitlement, victimhood, and vindictiveness."

The next question, then, is what Trump could actually do in his vindictive rage to punish an America which he may believe has consigned him to "loser" status. (Indeed, one-term presidents are usually regarded as failures — and Trump would be the first one-termer in 28 years). As political activist and former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader wrote in August, Trump could pressure the Justice Department to issue bogus subpoenas in order to punish his critics and opponents, pull out of contracts with businesses and individuals who he feels wronged him, refuse to work with Biden's transition team in handing over power and (of course) "intensify the use of the Justice Department and his personal lawyers to challenge in every frivolous, obstructive way the results of the election in selected states, no matter what the margin of his defeat."

Trump could also pick winners and losers in terms of who receives federal help during the pandemic and recession, helping those who sided with him and exacting vengeance against those who did not. He could egg on his supporters into committing acts of violence or, at the very least, do everything in his power to make sure they do not accept the legitimacy of a Biden presidency. He could pressure the Federal Reserve to try to drive up interest rates and stop supporting the stock and corporate bond markets, actions that would tank the American economy (and which Trump would most likely attempt to blame on Biden).

Most ominous of all, a narcissist like Trump could simply refuse to leave office when his term ends on January 20, 2021.

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We'll see.

 

[ecco]

It doesn't help when universities are full of leftist professors, including open Marxists. The leftist political biases of faculty at Western universities, particularly in social sciences and the humanities, is well-known.

You can always go to one of these.

There are more than 140 Christian colleges and universities in the U.S., part of the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, says Greta Hays, a spokeswoman for CCCU.
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The vast majority of Trump's inner circle went to Ivy League schools. Yet they turned out to be ultra-right.

What was your point?

 

[Audie]

My bet, and that of professionals, is the latter...

What happens when a narcissist loses?

What happens when a narcissist loses? Expect "rage" and "terror," psychologists warn
"A truly significant loss… may trigger not only a reign of terror but destruction without limit," one expert says
By MATTHEW ROZSA
OCTOBER 28, 2020 11:00PM (UTC)

"They will just stand there, poignantly in their Superman pajamas and say NO, I am NOT going to bed, and drop to the ground and scream," she explained. "Plan on an adult version of that. As is often the case when a difficult personality style like this faces disappointment we tend to see a cascade of reactions – oppositionality, denial, rage, despair, paranoia, more rage, entitlement, victimhood, and vindictiveness."

The next question, then, is what Trump could actually do in his vindictive rage to punish an America which he may believe has consigned him to "loser" status. (Indeed, one-term presidents are usually regarded as failures — and Trump would be the first one-termer in 28 years). As political activist and former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader wrote in August, Trump could pressure the Justice Department to issue bogus subpoenas in order to punish his critics and opponents, pull out of contracts with businesses and individuals who he feels wronged him, refuse to work with Biden's transition team in handing over power and (of course) "intensify the use of the Justice Department and his personal lawyers to challenge in every frivolous, obstructive way the results of the election in selected states, no matter what the margin of his defeat."

Trump could also pick winners and losers in terms of who receives federal help during the pandemic and recession, helping those who sided with him and exacting vengeance against those who did not. He could egg on his supporters into committing acts of violence or, at the very least, do everything in his power to make sure they do not accept the legitimacy of a Biden presidency. He could pressure the Federal Reserve to try to drive up interest rates and stop supporting the stock and corporate bond markets, actions that would tank the American economy (and which Trump would most likely attempt to blame on Biden).

Most ominous of all, a narcissist like Trump could simply refuse to leave office when his term ends on January 20, 2021.

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We'll see.

We could not be more convinced if you used all bold font red and black in italics.

 

[ecco]

Ah, now I get it. You are confusing someone else's telepsy with facts.

Wrong again. Don't you tire of making erroneous comments only to be corrected?

It wasn't "telepsy" that proved that Trump lied over 20,000 times in four years. Maybe you don't have Google over-wherever-you-are.


It wasn't telepsy that led people, correctly, to define Trump as a narcissist. Careful observation is not (your word) "telepsy". Careful observation to determine personality disorders is very valid.


Apparently, you are ignorant of some easily obtainable information.

Here, I'll help you out - if you bother to read just these three paragraphs.

What happens when a narcissist loses?

There is agreement among psychologists ... that President Donald Trump fits the psychological profile of a narcissist. What does that mean for the upcoming election, particularly if Trump loses, as polls suggest? Psychologists tell Salon that pathological narcissists who do not get their way tend to react abusively — which could lead to one of several devastating political scenarios for the nation in the election's aftermath.

"One does not have to diagnose to recognize pathological or toxic narcissism," Dr. Bandy X. Lee, a psychiatrist who has taught at Yale and authored the new book "Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul," told Salon by email. "This is behavior, not a diagnosis — and the media need not fixate so much on 'the Goldwater rule,' which applies to only 6% of practicing mental health professionals (that is, members of the American Psychiatric Association, the only association in the world with this rule)."

The so-called Goldwater Rule holds that "it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement." However, the rule does not apply to describing obvious narcissistic behavior in a public figure, any more than it would disqualify someone from describing celebrities who spend most of their days drinking liquor as having an alcohol problem.


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[ecco]

FWIW, I've heard other psychiatrists say that it would be professionally irresponsible to diagnose someone based only on their behaviour on TV.

Many people have heard this.
See my post #231 above.

Trump certainly lies a lot, but a pathological liar lies compulsively. Is he lying because he can't help it, or is he lying as part of a thought-out plan to deceive people to gain some benefit for himself? Neither would surprise me.

You might want to read this...

Pathological liars: Everything you need to know

A key feature of a pathological lie is that it has no obvious motivation. It is usually possible to determine why someone has told a lie — such as to benefit themselves or avoid an embarrassing or stressful social situation — but pathological lying occurs for no clear reason and does not seem to benefit the individual.
It is unclear whether a person who pathologically lies is aware of their deceit or is capable of thinking rationally about their lies.​

 

[ecco]

It became "racist" with Obama.
Why?
Because it was a convenient accusation.
Honest?

Honest?

Many people were against an uppity ****** being elected.

It was more acceptable to challenge his birthright than to complain that an uppity ****** actually was president. Trump realized this early on and played it for all it was worth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oddly both parts of this apply.

 

[Audie]

Wrong again. Don't you tire of making erroneous comments only to be corrected?

It wasn't "telepsy" that proved that Trump lied over 20,000 times in four years. Maybe you don't have Google over-wherever-you-are.


It wasn't telepsy that led people, correctly, to define Trump as a narcissist. Careful observation is not (your word) "telepsy". Careful observation to determine personality disorders is very valid.


Apparently, you are ignorant of some easily obtainable information.

Here, I'll help you out - if you bother to read just these three paragraphs.

What happens when a narcissist loses?

There is agreement among psychologists ... that President Donald Trump fits the psychological profile of a narcissist. What does that mean for the upcoming election, particularly if Trump loses, as polls suggest? Psychologists tell Salon that pathological narcissists who do not get their way tend to react abusively — which could lead to one of several devastating political scenarios for the nation in the election's aftermath.

"One does not have to diagnose to recognize pathological or toxic narcissism," Dr. Bandy X. Lee, a psychiatrist who has taught at Yale and authored the new book "Profile of a Nation: Trump's Mind, America's Soul," told Salon by email. "This is behavior, not a diagnosis — and the media need not fixate so much on 'the Goldwater rule,' which applies to only 6% of practicing mental health professionals (that is, members of the American Psychiatric Association, the only association in the world with this rule)."

The so-called Goldwater Rule holds that "it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement." However, the rule does not apply to describing obvious narcissistic behavior in a public figure, any more than it would disqualify someone from describing celebrities who spend most of their days drinking liquor as having an alcohol problem.


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You left out the bold italics.

As with a few religious ideologs here, I am
going to cease acknowledging your presence.

Hope you feel better some day.

Its me, Min

 

[ecco]

We could not be more convinced if you used all bold font red and black in italics.

The red is mine. The bolding is cut and paste from the web site.

It's very telling that your only comment is about the formatting of my comments and nothing about the content. Telling, but not surprising.

 

[ecco]

As with a few religious ideologs here, I am
going to cease acknowledging your presence.

Well, you're the second person in this thread that decided to drop out of a conversation when they had been shown to make false comments.

Bye.

 

[Stevicus]

In Trump's case, "incompetent anti-LGBTQ white nationalist," not Nazi per se, but yes.

So, basically, what you're describing would be an average American circa 1950 - the same people who fought to defeat the Nazis.

Do you realize that I didn't actually call Trump supporters Nazis? It was what we call an analogy.

Why use that as an analogy, though?

If you're not going to explain why you think it's incorrect, then I don't really care what you take issue with.

If you really don't care, why bother posting at all?

But I already explained why I think it's incorrect.

If you're going to split hairs over nuance, then maybe actually fully read the posts you're quoting. I didn't call Trump supporters Nazis; I used an analogy.

Right.

No, it's white nationalism.

Which was synonymous with Americanism up until about the 1960s. I think we're talking about the same thing here. But I can understand wanting to avoid any references to America, because it might mean treading on sacred cows which even liberals have been afraid to challenge. That's why Trump is constantly compared to a foreign dictator from over 75 years ago - just to avoid those awkward historical connections to America's government and leadership.

The Trump phenomenon isn't just the resurgence of some old tradition.

I never said it was. You're not following.

Now, a key element of support for Trump probably is old racists who were incensed at having a black president, but a lot of it doesn't go back any further than the Tea Party movement of the 90s.

Even if that was the case, the Tea Party also has its origins and precursors. It didn't just pop up out of nothing.

Who said "just?" Not me.

That seems to be a general trend, but I didn't say that you personally had said that.

We haven't even started talking about solutions here. You haven't let the conversation move past the fact that when someone votes for a president who is responsible for rounding up foreigners into concentration camps and who is willing to let a pandemic ravage states that didn't support him in the election, it does really reflect on the character of that voter.

The question of what to do next is a completely separate issue, bit it's one that's likely going to be hampered if half of the people involved refuse to acknowledge their complicity in evil.

You aren't going to be able to progress to something better until you acknowledge that there were a lot of things very wrong with what you had.

"Acknowledge their complicity in evil"? What is your actual goal in making that a requisite? Do you want to bring about political stability and a way to move forward and past our current dilemmas? Or do you want people to come forth and publicly "confess their sins" like they're at some evangelistic revival?

 

[Revoltingest]

Honest?

Many people were against an uppity ****** being elected.

It was more acceptable to challenge his birthright than to complain that an uppity ****** actually was president. Trump realized this early on and played it for all it was worth.

Same challenges had been made to many white presidential aspirants.
Should Obama be somehow exempt for normal political shenanigans?
Oh, you people...calling everything "racist" just cuz you don't like it.

 

[Audie]

So, basically, what you're describing would be an average American circa 1950 - the same people who fought to defeat the Nazis.



Why use that as an analogy, though?



If you really don't care, why bother posting at all?

But I already explained why I think it's incorrect.



Right.



Which was synonymous with Americanism up until about the 1960s. I think we're talking about the same thing here. But I can understand wanting to avoid any references to America, because it might mean treading on sacred cows which even liberals have been afraid to challenge. That's why Trump is constantly compared to a foreign dictator from over 75 years ago - just to avoid those awkward historical connections to America's government and leadership.



I never said it was. You're not following.



Even if that was the case, the Tea Party also has its origins and precursors. It didn't just pop up out of nothing.



That seems to be a general trend, but I didn't say that you personally had said that.



"Acknowledge their complicity in evil"? What is your actual goal in making that a requisite? Do you want to bring about political stability and a way to move forward and past our current dilemmas? Or do you want people to come forth and publicly "confess their sins" like they're at some evangelistic revival?

Confess as in a religious revival?

Much more like the cultural revolution,
wherein one must confess his ideological errors, and be sent to hsrd labor until he is
properly re educated.

So, basically, what you're describing would be an average American circa 1950 - the same people who fought to defeat the Nazis.



Why use that as an analogy, though?



If you really don't care, why bother posting at all?

But I already explained why I think it's incorrect.



Right.



Which was synonymous with Americanism up until about the 1960s. I think we're talking about the same thing here. But I can understand wanting to avoid any references to America, because it might mean treading on sacred cows which even liberals have been afraid to challenge. That's why Trump is constantly compared to a foreign dictator from over 75 years ago - just to avoid those awkward historical connections to America's government and leadership.



I never said it was. You're not following.



Even if that was the case, the Tea Party also has its origins and precursors. It didn't just pop up out of nothing.



That seems to be a general trend, but I didn't say that you personally had said that.



"Acknowledge their complicity in evil"? What is your actual goal in making that a requisite? Do you want to bring about political stability and a way to move forward and past our current dilemmas? Or do you want people to come forth and publicly "confess their sins" like they're at some evangelistic revival?

These left wingers sound like the red guard.

Critism and re education.