Leftists suggest re-education camps, firing squads, banning talk radio to deprogram Trump supporters

[Audie]

In that case, Republicans need to stop voting Republican. It's that simple.

Ah a one party state. I've heard of that.

 

[Audie]

I think you're on the right track here. I don't think it's necessary to "deprogram" any of the common people. It's the people on Wall Street and other elitist bastions where the deprogramming is badly needed. If today's "left" was worth their salt, they wouldn't go after confused, disaffected working-class people who only ever wanted a fair day's wage for a fair day's work.

What do you think "wall st." needs to do differently?

 

[Goddess Kit]

Ah a one party state. I've heard of that.

Rather than waffling that continues to disrupt every aspect of human life, it's truly the only solution.

 

[Audie]

Rather than waffling that continues to disrupt every aspect of our lives, it's truly the only solution.

I don't do binary black / white thinking
It lacks nuance, among other things.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am going to attempt to be serious for a moment, but merely a moment.

Imagine being of the mind of one who accepts the kind of liberal policies that help people rather than corporations. Imagine being a liberal minded minority in a conservative family. Essentially, due to the policies most conservatives find themselves advocating simply because they support the Republican candidate, imagine how the liberal minded family member must feel: my family is voting against me. They have so little love for me, they would vote for policies that harm me.

Do you think they really intend harm for you?
The conservatives & liberals I know don't want to harm others,
but they do have some very different approaches regarding how
to better the country by helping all.
It's useful to see political differences as just that, ie, not a personal
attack or good vs pure evil. Otherwise friendships die, & families
are torn apart.

 

[Audie]

Do you think they really intend harm for you?
The conservatives & liberals I know don't want to harm others,
but they do have some very different approaches regarding how
to better the country by helping all.
It's useful to see political differences as just that, ie, not a personal
attack or good vs pure evil. Otherwise friendships die, & families
are torn apart.

Pure good and pure evil are very dangerous concepts to harbour.

 

[Goddess Kit]

What gets me is how people can be reasonable in aspects of their lives except when it comes to something like politics. The best human way I can express it is that you conservatives are the dark side of the force while the democrats are the proper opposite.

 

[Audie]

What gets me is how people can be reasonable in aspects of their lives except when it comes to something like politics. The best human way I can express it is that you conservatives are the dark side of the force while the democrats are the proper opposite.

And you find that to be a reasonable way to see others?

Was I wasting my time when I responded to your request that I clarify?

 

[exchemist]

You're describing a situation which could apply to U.S. politics in general. This is part of what I've been observing these past 4-5 years. I've seen people fall all over themselves trying to convince others that Trump is the worse thing in the world, but whenever valid comparisons are made between Trump and other U.S. politicians or political phenomena, we hear people mendaciously utter BS terms like "false equivalence." I see this as a form of manipulation which I can not abide.

There was once a time when liberals and leftists used to examine causes and effects, rather than just look at symptoms. This is part of the process of critical thinking as some people claim they're able to do, but sometimes I wonder. They don't look very deeply at issues at anymore. They hear one idle quip and then start screaming like banshees or some witch-burning mob. Both sides appear to have been duped by a big lie.

Trump is, objectively, unique among US presidents, in his mendacity and personal obnoxiousness. Anyone who can't see that is delusional.

But indeed, what I am describing is really the weakness of human nature rather than something new. The issue is the depths to which people like Trump are prepared to stoop, in order to profit from those weaknesses. We've seen it before, many times, around the world.

 

[Goddess Kit]

And you find that to be a reasonable way to see others?

Was I wasting my time when I responded to your request that I clarify?

Not at all. I needed clarification. Now, you can rest assure that I dislike humans of a certain caliber.

 

[Stevicus]

And one can find similar tweets etc. from "rightists" (and the President). Ignore them for the idiots that they are. It has nothing to do with reality.

I don't ignore them, though I realize their views may just be a tiny minority. I just think it's a good thing to keep one's eyes open.

The reality is that life goes on and remains relatively normal, at least as normal as possible under pandemic conditions. But a lot of people still seem to get caught up in all this stuff.

 

[Stevicus]

My bull**** meter is pegged out.........

Summit News - Media Bias/Fact Check

@exchemist already posted this link upthread.

 

[Goddess Kit]

What I foresee happening is America becoming a land for the conservatives while most liberals flee, at least those that flee before it's too late. The country needs a major reconditioning away from modern Republicanism.

 

[Revoltingest]

What gets me is how people can be reasonable in aspects of their lives except when it comes to something like politics. The best human way I can express it is that you conservatives are the dark side of the force while the democrats are the proper opposite.

Careful there with that "you" bizness.
(I'm a libertarian, not a conservative.)
Yours can also be seen as the dark side....
- Wanting socialism
- Having opposed gay marriage
- Wanting a more powerful (authoritian) central government
- Speech regulation
- Opposing some constitutional civil liberties
- Anti-capitalist agenda
- Pro-war
- Pro-military draft...& males only
- Treating blacks as guaranteed Democrat voters
- Hostile & abusive towards other beliefs & values

Your side has advocated & advanced many things I find utterly evil.
Even so, I don't judge the individual liberal by this.
We are all individuals...not the worst or best of groups we're assigned to.

 

[Goddess Kit]

Careful there with that "you" bizness.
(I'm a libertarian, not a conservative.)
Your side can be seen as the dark side....
- Wanting socialism
- Having opposed gay marriage
- Wanting a more powerful (authoritian) central government
- Speech regulation
- Opposing some constitutional civil liberties
- Anti-capitalist agenda
- Pro-military draft...& males only
- Treating blacks as guaranteed Democrat voters

Your side has advocated & advanced many things I find utterly evil.
Even so, I don't judge the individual liberal by this.
We are all individuals...not the worst or best of groups we're assigned to.

I'm in no way affected by your petty, inadequate politics. However, I do feel for particular humans.

I've seen people harmed by conservative policy and conservative family members, yet have I experienced any sort of emotional or mental harm from conservatives due to democratic policy? Nope. In fact, I see conservatives enjoying the fruits of democratic policy while claiming to be strictly conservative and voting that way.

You humans have much for which to answer in how you treat one another, and politics is fast gaining ground above religion in terms of harm.

 

[Audie]

Not at all. I needed clarification. Now, you can rest assure that I dislike humans of a certain caliber.

That was obvious.

 

[Stevicus]

Especially considering that most conservatives cannot adequately pinpoint any Republican policy that effectively benefits them as average citizens.

Well, they've certainly tried and even managed to succeed in persuading a lot of people that Reaganomics would somehow bring Americans unlimited prosperity and economic growth. It was so popular that even the Democrats started to embrace it. That's where they went wrong.

Politics appears to be more about salesmanship than anything else, and the Republicans have touted themselves as the party of U.S. patriotism, military strength, the "moral majority," traditional American values and ideals. Whether or not this actually benefits the average citizen doesn't really seem to matter. It's all about the image.

 

[Goddess Kit]

Well, they've certainly tried and even managed to succeed in persuading a lot of people that Reaganomics would somehow bring Americans unlimited prosperity and economic growth. It was so popular that even the Democrats started to embrace it. That's where they went wrong.

Politics appears to be more about salesmanship than anything else, and the Republicans have touted themselves as the party of U.S. patriotism, military strength, the "moral majority," traditional American values and ideals. Whether or not this actually benefits the average citizen doesn't really seem to matter. It's all about the image.

And upon such an image, a once great country falls.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm in no way affected by your petty, inadequate politics.

Indeed, my politics are inadequate.....we libertarians have about zero influence.
Nonetheless, I am what I am, so there I belong.
I've learned to accept my fecklessness.

But why is this significant to you or this discussion?

However, I do feel for particular humans.

I've seen people harmed by conservative policy and conservative family members, yet have I experienced any sort of emotional or mental harm from conservatives due to democratic policy? Nope. In fact, I see conservatives enjoying the fruits of democratic policy while claiming to be strictly conservative and voting that way.

People have been harmed by Democrats' policies too....
- Killed or maimed in wars.
- Kept down by a welfare state that yanks benefits when the poor earn money.
- Driven to bankruptcy by fed policy (Obama) prohibiting renegotiating troubled loans.
- Whistle blowers persecuted (Obama).
- Denied right to a jury trial (Clinton).

Should you (as a pro-Democrat) personally be judged on the basis of those policies?
I say no. You could tolerate that aspect of Democrats because you weigh their
positives to yield a net benefit relative to Republicans.

You humans have much for which to answer in how you treat one another, and politics is fast gaining ground above religion in terms of harm.

Tis good to not become one of those humans.

 

[Audie]

Well, they've certainly tried and even managed to succeed in persuading a lot of people that Reaganomics would somehow bring Americans unlimited prosperity and economic growth. It was so popular that even the Democrats started to embrace it. That's where they went wrong.

Politics appears to be more about salesmanship than anything else, and the Republicans have touted themselves as the party of U.S. patriotism, military strength, the "moral majority," traditional American values and ideals. Whether or not this actually benefits the average citizen doesn't really seem to matter. It's all about the image.

Nobody said unlimited, if " even " democrats embraced such an idea they are stupid.

Are you suggesting r people do image and d people do substance?