Legality of polygamy

[crossfire]

It cannot work out juridically.
Juridically two people sign a contract called marriage. Period.

OK, so let's say 2 (or more) such women go find a common sperm donor (husband) when/if they want to have children?

 

[Valjean]

Yeah, to a conservative like me, these little no-harms prove to be very offensive.
Like de-funding the police they aren't a problem until it comes to your front door.

By defunding the police, do you mean reducing their workload by reassigning the 80% of their work not directly involved in law enforcement to other agencies or departments; to people trained in the disciplines needed?
Oddly enough, that's what's meant by "defunding."
Liberals are adept at shooting themselves in the foot with abstruse terminology that seems to mean something very different from what's intended.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

In a lot of countries due to an old UN intrusion the country would have a different law for religious minorities. In some countries it goes for even minority races. In places like India the so called "low caste" would get some government benefits the so called "higher caste" would not get. Some of them are a bit jealous. This kind of different systems exist in many countries, in many circumstances.

This particular thread is to explore the morality or the sensibility or what ever angle you would like to look at, the legality of polygamy.

Typically this would be polygeny because we are addressing Islam directly, and it is wide spread, global, and various countries with lets say, "secular laws", like India, England, etc would have a different law for non-muslims where polygamy is illegal, unlike muslims, and that polyandry is out of the question.

I remember reading some stats about India where thought Muslims are given the right to polygamy, non-muslims in India have polygamous marriages far more than muslims. But, the question is, is it fair to give muslims one law, and the rest of the community another law. Some of the Buddhist countries in Asia have been murderously against this law calling it discrimination towards the Buddhist majority. Some Buddhist monks have engaged in creating riots over these kind of things which developed into lynching and killing of several people including a child of 9. That is, ignoring Myanmar. So the bottomline is, the sentiment of discrimination seems to linger in the majority of these countries where the minority muslims are given the right to have polygamous marriages. Some have suggested that this could be a jealousy, but there is no real evidence that every one in a country like England wishes to marry more than one lady. So if there is a jealousy in this counting, it could be with some very rich guy or an underworld don who wishes to have a small harem. And anyway that could be achieved easily with no law needed. So all of these theories seem lame. Is it fair to let the minority Muslims have a different law allowing polygeny or is it their right to have it?

What do you think of this situation? How do you judge this situation?

I believe that there is something wrong with a guy who would want more than one wife.

Why all the self-imposed punishment?

 

[PruePhillip]

By defunding the police, do you mean reducing their workload by reassigning the 80% of their work not directly involved in law enforcement to other agencies or departments; to people trained in the disciplines needed?
Oddly enough, that's what's meant by "defunding."
Liberals are adept at shooting themselves in the foot with abstruse terminology that seems to mean something very different from what's intended.

No, defunding as in reducing police enforcement budgets and giving the money 'saved'
to public works, ie gymns, cineman complexes, skate parks etc.. This way, the theory goes,
there will be less crime as criminals, sorry oppressed people, will have somewhere to go,
something to do. That's probably why homicides shot up 30% in a single year - no gymns.

 

[PruePhillip]

Thats info. I didnt know.

That's according to the Gallop Poll.
As per my profile below:

Polygamy 7 to 20% in just 20 years.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think humans have that innate nature that naturally stems from abrahamic theologies.

One can also say that rules in Abrahamic religion are mostly what innate human nature is.

OK, so let's say 2 (or more) such women go find a common sperm donor (husband) when/if they want to have children?

I suppose that may delight that person. The more, the merrier. Goes for some women also.

 

[Valjean]

I believe that there is something wrong with a guy who would want more than one wife.

You're a

No, defunding as in reducing police enforcement budgets and giving the money 'saved'
to public works, ie gymns, cineman complexes, skate parks etc.. This way, the theory goes,
there will be less crime as criminals, sorry oppressed people, will have somewhere to go,
something to do. That's probably why homicides shot up 30% in a single year - no gymns.

Have you ever looked into why sociologists or criminologists believe such actions would achieve their desired effects? Do you think these experts in the field just dreamed this stuff up?

Beware knee-jerk assessments of novel ideas and proposals, especially when they seem crazy or counter-productive at first glance. There may be some solid research behind them.
Beware anecdotal or single examples of issues, like Reagan's Linda Taylor, the "Welfare Queen." They've been used in the past to convince the public that a single example represented a general trend.

In my town we have a new program sending mental health/social work specialists to scenes involving such incidents. So far it's working well. Accident techs to minor accidents and fender-benders to come.

That's local 'defunding' here. It increases police availability while decreasing response times.. "Defunding" is a police force multiplier.

 

[firedragon]

I believe that there is something wrong with a guy who would want more than one wife.

Why all the self-imposed punishment?

Very good thought. I absolutely agree.

But this is not about "why polygamy" or personal likes of human beings. Hope you understand.

 

[firedragon]

That's according to the Gallop Poll.
As per my profile below:

Polygamy 7 to 20% in just 20 years.

I will explore that PP. Thanks so much.

 

[firedragon]

One can also say that rules in Abrahamic religion are mostly what innate human nature is.

Could be. Good point.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

You're a/QUOTE]
?

 

[Aupmanyav]

One can also say that rules in Abrahamic religion are mostly what innate human nature is.

I need to correct this. Is there any innate human nature other than survival, ease of life, food and sex? These are the basic urges. It will be better to say that rules in any religion, not just Abrahamic religion but in others too, are just the rules which help the survival and prosperity of a society. It is society which forms rules and not any religion, God or Allah.

 

[oldbadger]

I think polygamy should not be allowed in any country, Muslim or Non-Muslim.

But Bahauallah wrote that men could be polygamous, IT.
He had 3 or 4 wives and wrote that men could take two wives.

 

[oldbadger]

I believe that there is something wrong with a guy who would want more than one wife.

Why all the self-imposed punishment?

So why do many married guys take lovers? That must be quite stressful at times.

 

[oldbadger]

No, defunding as in reducing police enforcement budgets and giving the money 'saved'
to public works, ie gymns, cineman complexes, skate parks etc.. This way, the theory goes,
there will be less crime as criminals, sorry oppressed people, will have somewhere to go,
something to do. That's probably why homicides shot up 30% in a single year - no gymns.

If 'they' put more money in to Revenue investigation then so much money would be seized from fat-cats hiding funds everywhere, this would pay for all social venues as well as a better trained and regulated police force.

 

[PruePhillip]

If 'they' put more money in to Revenue investigation then so much money would be seized from fat-cats hiding funds everywhere, this would pay for all social venues as well as a better trained and regulated police force.

This sounds like class hate, ie 'fat-cats hiding funds.' This of course leads to higher taxes
against the 'fat-cats' who already pay most of American taxes (Top 5% pay 60% of all taxes)
and will just lead to more businesses leaving America. If America just applies laws without
leniency, sloppy bail provisions and early release then you can make a dent in the crime.
Not much of a dent in such a violence loving nation, but hey, any dent will do.

 

[Valjean]

So why do many married guys take lovers? That must be quite stressful at times.

Variety.
Just as you'd get tired of the same food every day, no matter how much you liked it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

(Top 5% pay 60% of all taxes)

But they notoriously hide their money in tax shelters and off shore accounts.

 

[PruePhillip]

But they notoriously hide their money in tax shelters and off shore accounts.

60% is 60%.
With some socialist system these guys either leave or sent bankrupt.
And no more 60%.
Elon Musk pays about 55% of his 'income'

People shouldn't pay more than 25%, whether they earn $100 a year
or $100 million. IMO

 

[IndigoChild5559]

60% is 60%.
With some socialist system these guys either leave or sent bankrupt.
And no more 60%.
Elon Musk pays about 55% of his 'income'

People shouldn't pay more than 25%, whether they earn $100 a year
or $100 million. IMO

People should pay what they can afford to pay. The top 2% has way more than their fare share of the wealth while those at the bottom slave away for them and do not reap the rewards.