Lesbian couple found guilty of abusing and murdering 2-year-old boy

[0x0005D0]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...cted-to-heartless-cruelty-before-he-died.html

Paediatric pathologist Dr Paul French told how Liam died after suffering a ruptured heart caused by a severe blunt force injury to his torso.

Horrific as the fatal injury was, it was far from the only injury suffered by Liam during his short life.

The pathologist found fractures to the boy's upper arm and thigh, likely sustained in separate events in the hours and days before the child died.

Jurors listened as the expert detailed more than 30 external injuries he found on the toddler's body, most of them "in keeping with blunt force trauma".

These included an abrasion and laceration to the back of the head, bruises on his shin and thigh and external injuries to the genital area.

People who testified in court also stated that Rachel and Nyomi Fee would tie Liam up on a chair in a dark room where snakes and rats were kept.

What kind of people do this to a harmless two-year old kid? Why weren't claims of abuse taken seriously when there are at the same time cases of children being taken away over minute offenses because the foster parents were supposedly 'homophobic'? Yet, in a case where there was actual evidence of something egregious going on, the Fee case was pre-maturely dropped, against standard operation protocol, and this was almost certainly for fear of being politically incorrect.

 

[jeager106]

HANG 'EM S L O W L Y.
They don't deserve a quick death but death they do deserve.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's odd the significance attached to the lesbian aspect.
In child murders by hetero couples, this status never
makes it into the headlines.

My sentence.....
Life imprisonment in solitary.
Forced to endlessly listen to Trump, Hillary, Obama & Bush speeches.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I fail to see what their sexuality has to do with anything. Stories of straight people abusing and torturing their kids to death are a dime a dozen.
http://www.dreamindemon.com/category/abuse-2/child_abuse/

 

[AsianActivist]

Their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

The fact that they were horrible people to begin with has everything to do with it.

Quite honestly the only reason to bring up sexuality is if you're trying to politicize a tragedy to promote homophobia.

 

[Walter Russell]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...cted-to-heartless-cruelty-before-he-died.html



People who testified in court also stated that Rachel and Nyomi Fee would tie Liam up on a chair in a dark room where snakes and rats were kept.

What kind of people do this to a harmless two-year old kid? Why weren't claims of abuse taken seriously when there are at the same time cases of children being taken away over minute offenses because the foster parents were supposedly 'homophobic'? Yet, in a case where there was actual evidence of something egregious going on, the Fee case was pre-maturely dropped, against standard operation protocol, and this was almost certainly for fear of being politically incorrect.

I have no issues with anyones sexual preferences but unfortunately society is so quick to label and bash you if you challenge these so called oppressed minorities in any way that they are sure to get away with crap like this for much longer than the average person.
Similar to the way any criticism of Pres Obama would quickly get you called a racist early on in his presidency. It didn't matter if the criticism was soley based on policy.

Theres nothing that enrages and saddens me more than the abuse of a child.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Quite honestly the only reason to bring up sexuality is if you're trying to politicize a tragedy

... which is a grotesque affront to the loss and suffering of a child, thus, imho, immoral in its own right.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I have no issues with anyones sexual preferences but unfortunately society is so quick to label and bash you if you challenge these so called oppressed minorities in any way that they are sure to get away with crap like this for much longer than the average person.

Do you have any evidence to substantiate your claim that "so called oppressed minorities ... are sure to get away with crap like this for much longer than the average person"? You have some inside information that advises us how long the authorities knew this child was being abused? You have evidence that suggests that this behavior was permitted to continue by this this couple because they happened to be homosexual?

You make some brazen claims that require evidence rather to substantiate; rather than a knee-jerk subjective reactions.

 

[Walter Russell]

Do you have any evidence to substantiate your claim that "so called oppressed minorities ... are sure to get away with crap like this for much longer than the average person"? You have some inside information that advises us how long the authorities knew this child was being abused? You have evidence that suggests that this behavior was permitted to continue by this this couple because they happened to be homosexual?

You make some brazen claims that require evidence rather to substantiate; rather than a knee-jerk subjective reactions.

For this case in particular no, but hell yes i've seen it many times personally in my own little part of the world.
People in general are more hesitant to call someone out when that person belongs to a group that is already highly publicized as victims.
And I didn't say they get away with it. I said get away with it longer due to hesitation of others.
If that offends your sensibilities than just stick your head in the sand and let it pass you by.

 

[SomeRandom]

It's odd the significance attached to the lesbian aspect.
In child murders by hetero couples, this status never
makes it into the headlines.

My sentence.....
Life imprisonment in solitary.
Forced to endlessly listen to Trump, Hillary, Obama & Bush speeches.

But I thought America was against cruel and unusual punishment!!

 

[psychoslice]

Well this is something you don't hear much, its usually the strait people that do these things.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

For this case in particular no, but hell yes i've seen it many times personally in my own little part of the world.

And you have inside information that places you in the know about "why" it "seemed" that certain groups of people get away with child abuse longer than others so you are speaking empirically and not subjectively as to this being the reason why?

People in general are more hesitant to call someone out when that person belongs to a group that is already highly publicized as victims.

I am certainly open to this being a real possibility in our over-reactionary society; and frankly, considering what "gay bashing" meant several years ago compared to today, I'm rather disgusted with someone coming out gay during an awards ceremony, receiving a standing ovation, then being painted as a "victim" ... but what I'd like to see is either enough humility to state "it seems to me that this is, or could be the case"; or some kind of evidence to substantiate your allegation.

And I didn't say they get away with it. I said get away with it longer due to hesitation of others.

I never said that you said that "they get away with it"; in fact, I quoted your words verbatim, or nearly so.

If that offends your sensibilities than just stick your head in the sand and let it pass you by.

Offends me? No, not offends me. Face it though; we've all seen DCF and the justice system fail children in our society, regardless of who the parents are or the situation; both overreacting and underreacting, and a child pays the price. I'm very interested in protecting the children in our society; but our society has a propensity to subjective reasoning and knee-jerk responses; looking for threats, for example, from those nasty **** & atheists; forgetting to keep an eye on Uncle George who teaches Sunday School. We need to recognize threats and signs of abuse; and act appropriately; without being intimidated or daunted by the social status of the alleged abusers. I merely request some kind of evidence to substantiate your claims lest we go from one extreme to another -- from overreacting to underreacting.

Hide my head in the sand? Never; not at the cost of protecting the defenseless in our society. But to do that, we need to clearly identify, objectively as possible, the threats to those children instead of falling prey to myths.

I simply ask for evidence. If you have no evidence, then at least have the humility to admit that your perception is purely subjective, and though that perception may be true, it may also be in error.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Well this is something you don't hear much, its usually the strait people that do these things.

Laws of averages. It remains true, in our current culture, that most abusers are "straight people" because most caretakers of children are "straight people". to suggest that "straight people" are the most likely abusers of children could cause others to turn a blind eye or have a more skeptical outlook on the signs of abuse when the alleged perpetrator proclaims being gay. When we are speaking about children who can't protect themselves, they can't afford for society to do this. Because the majority of caretakers of children are straight, then laws of average clearly dictate that the majority of convicted abusers of children will be straight; simply because the number of straights as primary caretakers of children vastly outnumber the number of gays who are primary caretakers of children.

When broken down per capita, it is very clear that the majority of sexual abusers of children are straight. IF called upon to do so, I can provide sources for this information.

But what about the other kinds of abuse of children? Physical, emotional, etc? This, I do not know. Because I do not now, my request for evidence is a sincere request and not a confrontational request.

 

[psychoslice]

Laws of averages. It remains true, in our current culture, that most abusers are "straight people" because most caretakers of children are "straight people". to suggest that "straight people" are the most likely abusers of children could cause others to turn a blind eye or have a more skeptical outlook on the signs of abuse when the alleged perpetrator proclaims being gay. When we are speaking about children who can't protect themselves, they can't afford for society to do this. Because the majority of caretakers of children are straight, then laws of average clearly dictate that the majority of convicted abusers of children will be straight; simply because the number of straights as primary caretakers of children vastly outnumber the number of gays who are primary caretakers of children.

When broken down per capita, it is very clear that the majority of sexual abusers of children are straight. IF called upon to do so, I can provide sources for this information.

But what about the other kinds of abuse of children? Physical, emotional, etc? This, I do not know. Because I do not now, my request for evidence is a sincere request and not a confrontational request.

I see what you are saying, but its still a fact, even most kids who are abused sexually, are abused from straits again, but I can see what you mean by the numbers, and that maybe also right.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...cted-to-heartless-cruelty-before-he-died.html

Is there a connection between the two womens' relationship and their killing their son?

Are you saying that homosexuality in people are the cause of murderers (and although singled out in the news, unfortunately) why would these two women be any different than what I've read worse?

Even make it more personal. If my wife and I had a child and my friend and her boyfriend had a child, what are the changes that I will abuse my child more than my friend would abuse hers?

 

[0x0005D0]

Are you saying that homosexuality in people are the cause of murderers (and although singled out in the news, unfortunately) why would these two women be any different than what I've read worse?

Even make it more personal. If my wife and I had a child and my friend and her boyfriend had a child, what are the changes that I will abuse my child more than my friend would abuse hers?

I didn't say that. Obviously people of all orientations have the capacity to be good parents. However, given that the State takes away children for far lesser offenses, there is obviously some sort of political correctness at play here.

Obviously, the right of gay and lesbian couples to adopt is a very sensitive issue, and it is possible that the case was dropped initially in order to be more PC.

 

[Raahim]

Lesbian atheist white couple murdered two-year-old boy.
Heterosexual catholic black male murdered [insert victim here].

Because those details are really important for the news, maximum sentence for such acts no matter who or what you are.

 

[HonestJoe]

I didn't say that. Obviously people of all orientations have the capacity to be good parents. However, given that the State takes away children for far lesser offenses, there is obviously some sort of political correctness at play here.

Obviously, the right of gay and lesbian couples to adopt is a very sensitive issue, and it is possible that the case was dropped initially in order to be more PC.

I don’t think it’s at all obvious. I don’t think you can present any evidence what-so-ever that the sexuality of the couple had any impact on the decisions of the various authorities in this case. I suspect your personal biases are leading you to assume it’s the case despite there being no evidence. It’s obviously possible that it was a factor at some point or another but this kind of thing involves a whole series of poor decisions, errors and mistakes.

The fact is that it’s extremely difficult for social workers, police etc. to make the right judgement in any case of suspected or alleged abuse and they’re working in a public and media environment which guarantees they’ll be strung up if they make any kind of mistake in either direction. Depending on which high profile cases were last in the media, they feel pressure to either not jump too soon and risk being condemned for taking children from innocent parents or pressure not to leave it too late and risk being condemned for not taking children away before they’re harmed. There are many thousands of cases across the UK and the vast, vast majority don’t get any media attention because they’re largely handled correctly. The extreme tragedies are used (often quite deliberately) to generate a false impression of a fundamentally routine failure.

Clearly everything realistically possible should be done to avoid cases reaching this kind of situation but perfection is sadly impossible.

 

[AsianActivist]

I didn't say that. Obviously people of all orientations have the capacity to be good parents. However, given that the State takes away children for far lesser offenses, there is obviously some sort of political correctness at play here.

Obviously, the right of gay and lesbian couples to adopt is a very sensitive issue, and it is possible that the case was dropped initially in order to be more PC.

If the media is as PC as you say, then why did they even bother to add in the part about their sexuality? No the only reason why this made the news, and the only reason they emphasized it is because the media is reactionary and in fact biased in the other direction. If this was a heterosexual couple, the sexuality would have been a non-issue. The vast majority of child abuse is done by straight parents, yet the 0.001% of abuse happening at the hands of non-traditional families makes the news. Ever ask youself why? It's because that at this stage the media is still too reactionary and emphasizes these.

It's the same reason why we always hear about black crime in the United States and whenever there is an African-American suspect they will plaster his face all over the place but if the criminal is white or Asian they do everything to censor the face or the name.

 

[Revoltingest]

But I thought America was against cruel and unusual punishment!!

Only within our borders.
These gals are Limeys.