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Let’s talk about the Bible
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kjw47
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Except that they have all three showing up individually, at the same time. Thus not ONE. And Jesus wasn't praying to himself.
Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus (1) also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove (2) upon him, and a voice came from heaven,(3) which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
What? I've never claimed to be an expert on Tanakh.
And you posted this to my post saying Tanakh has ONE God and totally rejects the trinity idea.
What is the problem with this? Unless you misunderstood something I said?
Me discussing Tanakh, - is no different then you discussing Christianity, Baha'i, Paganism, etc.
The site you posted said this - "Though a Jew would be forbidden from maintaining a sh*tuf theology, ..."
The article is about dealing with Christians whom believe in trinity.
"Conservative Rabbi Louis Jacobs took a more conciliatory approach:
Christian thinkers frequently assert that Jewish polemics against trinitarianism are based on an inadequate understanding of what the doctrine really means. It is no doubt true that crude attacks on Christianity as tritheism are unfounded (tritheism is, in fact, heresy from the Christian point of view) and there are subtleties in the doctrine which Christians have tried to uncover. But the fact remains that all Jewish thinkers have rejected trinitarianism as Judaism understands it"
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Are you kidding me? OWN has been added. I didn't make that up.
On understand do not lean [period!]
What is wrong with leaning on Jehovah instead of leaning on [anyone's] understanding?
The people who thought they heard from Jehovah wrote what they believed it was about. To lean on what they wrote is leaning on UNDERSTANDING. Proverbs 3:5 is saying don't do it.
What is wrong with leaning on Jehovah instead of leaning on [anyone's] understanding?
The people who thought they heard from Jehovah wrote what they believed it was about. To lean on what they wrote is leaning on UNDERSTANDING. Proverbs 3:5 is saying don't do it.
Really? It is what your Jesus teachers should have used to come to their version of the Bible. I am sure they do ?? too.
It is proof that the word "own" was added. It wasn't what God said.
Can you guess why the governing body would want to leave the word own there?
They want you to lean on THEIR understanding. OK?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
You don't even realize how ignorant that sounds, do you? Are we not to UNDERSTAND the word of God? Did not God APPOINT teachers in the church? But, according to YOU we should not lean on THEIR understanding, OK?
And you want us to lean on YOUR understanding, OK?
I do not know why you are making it about understanding. Understanding isn't what is being warned against. LEANING is the warning.
I don't want you to lean.
@djw Proverbs 3:5 doesn't say have no understanding. It says do not lean on it.
Anybody? If 'own' is supposed to be there at Proverbs 3:5 and it isn't about understanding, then, whose understanding is it OK to lean on?
Leaning leads to acting out what you think you understand.
Also, a person's understanding of God, God's Word, righteousness, and judgment should be subject to growth. If you lean on any of it you discourage its growth.
Actually, I am not aware of ever having been teaching anyone what to believe in.
I believe I am just telling what is wrong with what you trust is the truth.
Also, a person's understanding of God, God's Word, righteousness, and judgment should be subject to growth. If you lean on any of it you discourage its growth.
Actually, I am not aware of ever having been teaching anyone what to believe in.
I believe I am just telling what is wrong with what you trust is the truth.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
So, you're LEANING on YOUR understanding of what you believe to be the truth, OK?
I am not leaning on my understanding. I can SEE it.
See how you can't change your mind even though the evidence is right in front of you?
Now, explain it to me your way and if you can make sense of it, I can change my mind.
Tell me how I can see the word understand (it was written) as "your own" understanding.
Explain it to me!
Also, explain to me that to lean is not the warning there.
Explain to me why leaning is righteous and explain to me what understanding I must lean on.
Reporting what a person believes to be right and reporting what a person believes to be wrong are not the same. The Bible is reporting what some people believe to be right and people lean on it.
I am reporting that the Bible actually is warning those people not to do that.
See?
Do this.
Don't do this.
Same?
Or different?
OMG!
According to Proverbs 3:5 WHOSE understanding should I lean on?
According to Proverbs 3:5 WHOSE understanding should I lean on?
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
I think as an English sentence it needs some tweaking.
Perhaps one of our Jewish members will give us their translation?
When I looked at it, and thought about how to put it into an English sentence, I came up with something like -
Pro 3:5 Strive for refuge in/trust in YHVH with your whole being/intellect, and (thus) unto understanding/wisdom, rather than relying on your propensities/predilections.
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djhwoodwerks
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You can play with the words all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it is YOUR understanding that Proverbs 3:5 is WRONG, right? Or, can you also work on a gasoline engine just by SEEING it, without UNDERSTANDING how it works?
You are reporting, YOUR understanding of what the Bible actually is warning!