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Let them eat cake - the World revolves around Me!

Nashitheki

Hollawitta
ok, great - I think I'll do some more research on Chavez.

The only personal link I've had with him is from a rich Venezuelan woman I knew. Her husband was an oil worker and they had to leave the country as they could not earn their untold riches there. Now she lives in Thailand with many servants (there are oilfields there)

naturally they hated Chavez and blamed him for everything.

no surprises there!:rolleyes:

Oh what a sad story :sad4: Perhaps in Thailand, the little people's heads will make for better stepping stones on her and her husband's journey to the very top.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Same here... instead we have property taxes that disproportionally hurt the rural poor, farmers and the elderly.

wa:do

Death and taxes - two things we can't avoid.

Our property taxes (which are on the high end) are offset by very affordable housing in general.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Death and taxes - two things we can't avoid.

Our property taxes (which are on the high end) are offset by very affordable housing in general.
Sadly, our economy is currently focused on low paying tourism jobs and shedding high paying factory jobs. Tourism is driving up house and rental prices with no increase in incomes for locals.

The only area of the state that is growing is the south... mostly due to emigration but young people in general are fleeing the state and have been for a while.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news...ill-dominates-new-hampshire-demographics.html

It's a tricky problem that the state needs to start taking seriously but doesn't seem to want to.

wa:do
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
so do you mean to say that many people pay no income tax at all?

please explain this.

how about someone earning 40K/year - do they pay no tax?

this doesn't seem correct.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
so do you mean to say that many people pay no income tax at all?

please explain this.

how about someone earning 40K/year - do they pay no tax?

this doesn't seem correct.

What I am saying is that when people get a federal income tax "refund" of more than the income tax they paid in - that's right, they didn't pay any federal income tax.

Depending on the amount of their deductions and their subsequent refund, yes it's possible for someone making 40K a year to pay no federal income tax. It's not likely, but it's a possibility.
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
what will allow you to get a refund?

Number of kids, interest you pay on a mortgage, medical bills, sales tax you've paid all year, charitable deductions, child care costs, business travel expenses, etc. The tax code here is complex and a bit ridiculous.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
so for a single person , renting, married with no kids etc.. still has to pay income tax it seems

So how can you say here that 50% of people do not?

More of your right-wing propaganda.
 
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Still even when they aren't paying income tax, they are paying sales taxes, property taxes and hosts of other minor taxes that can be a significant burden on the poor and lower working class.

Which is why I'm in favor of a universal income tax... rather than a hodge-podge of taxes on every other thing. (Though I may be willing to accept taxes on things like alcohol, tobacco and legalized marijuana. :shrug:)

wa:do
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Still even when they aren't paying income tax, they are paying sales taxes, property taxes and hosts of other minor taxes that can be a significant burden on the poor and lower working class.

Which is why I'm in favor of a universal income tax... rather than a hodge-podge of taxes on every other thing. (Though I may be willing to accept taxes on things like alcohol, tobacco and legalized marijuana. :shrug:)

wa:do

I could probably go along with that as well.

Though the other taxes you mention do not support social security, national defense or any federal social programs.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I could probably go along with that as well.

Though the other taxes you mention do not support social security, national defense or any federal social programs.
No they tend to* support treatment programs for people suffering from abuse/health issues with those things.

Which I think is generally fair. (I occasionally purchase alcohol and wouldn't mind paying extra to support those who need help fighting alcoholism.)

wa:do

* I say "tend to" but I know states that use the money for other reasons. Another issue I have with the current tax system.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Right on. I have LOTS of issues with the current tax systems - local, state, and federal.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Right on. I have LOTS of issues with the current tax systems - local, state, and federal.
And that just shows how despite our coming at the issue from different directions we can agree on what needs to be fixed and generally how to fix it.

Now if only our representatives spent less time demonizing each other so they'll get re-elected and more time actually talking about the problem. :faint:

wa:do
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
from Huffington Post article:

In most cases, tax filers who don’t pay federal income tax are still on the hook for other taxes. They can still be responsible for payroll taxes, withheld from their paychecks, and for excise taxes on gasoline, tobacco, alcohol, and other goods. And they may have to pay income tax at the state or local level.
so how about these 2 highlighted sections then?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
from Huffington Post article:

so how about these 2 highlighted sections then?

What about them? The point is that they are not paying federal income taxes and are in fact getting a "REFUND" on something they haven't even paid in!
 

Nashitheki

Hollawitta
I am the Center of the Universe.

I am the only one that matters.

I am more important than you.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years. Money, status, power and ego above all else.

Individualism, achievement, being a success, competing and fulfilling one's potential are all just euphemisms to sanitise our selfish desires and narcissism.

If you have the money then get someone else to do your chores, sleep with you, work for you, and then throw them a few crumbs and pat yourself on the back.

If it looks good and makes money then that's all that matters - to hell with the consequences.

Act like a whore, thug, Lord, Lady or princess - who cares if you can get away with it because success is all that matters.

Throw a few crumbs to those undeserving poor folk - they are poor because they deserve to be.

Let them eat cake!

What is prohibited by those who make and keep the laws or rules of such a deviant capitalistic society ? Behaviors that are deemed detrimental to the interests of the powerful bourgeoisie upper ruling class. Although such laws or rules are set for all to abide, the bourgeoisie are rarely punished to the same extent of those who are of the lower classes. These laws or rules which serve mostly the bourgeoisie are held in place by force and not by the consensus of all people.

Aside from all of those who are quite content with their substandard servile existence, humans want to live a good life, but such a living in this bourgeoisie controlled society requires more money than most can afford. Poverty resulting from such a system prompts major discontent and crime. Many lower class criminals commit crimes as a way to improve their plight. The ruling class or their laws cannot exist without the crimes and poverty of the lower class. Lower class criminals keep the laws active that in turn allow the ruling class to maintain the existing social and economic order. The lower class also serves as a serf workforce for the bourgeoisie upper ruling class thus allowing them to reap most of the rewards of someone else’s endeavors.

Why would the deviant upper ruling class even consider the people’s requests or demands to be fair and just ? They have a lot to lose by granting such requests or meeting such demands and will use any means possible to quell dissidence, suppress free speech and keep the people they view as serfs in a fearful, often angry disorganized state of being. Henceforth the division of race and political party loyalties that blights all of the lower class, even if they are in the same sinking boat.

No matter the political party, or who’s voted in or out, the deviant capitalist system cannot be adjusted or bandaged and kissed to make the boo boo better. Only the complete elimination of such a system can allow all people to live better lives.

Such a debate could go on until those cows that use to come home, die and never come home again. These debates could prove productive in some way, but within an advanced capitalist society, free speech and differences of opinion are not always spoken or expressed upon the most level of ground. Those who speak against the deviance of the bourgeoisie upper class are often demonized and deemed unpatriotic, or worse, branded as an enemy and punished.

Words inspire as well as herald change and can muster, but a large rock that has rolled down and blocks the path can be kicked and pelted with verbal scorn to no avail. It is only when people come together and push that rock down into a deep ravine will the path be open.

Really, who thinks the upper ruling class or their well rewarded loyal servants feel any remorse at all after telling the grumbling, stomach growling, more vocal factions of the lower class to ‘eat cake’ ?
 
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