Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[URAVIP2ME]

..........We don't have any idea whether or not the words in the Bible were actually uttered by Jesus.

But we do find that often Jesus prefaced his statements with the words, " It is written...." meaning already written down in the OT.
Besides the recorded words attributed to Jesus we can also see the internal harmony among the Bible writers.
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his teachings.
Jesus explained and expounded on the OT for us.
To me it would Not seem logical that could just happen being done by another person besides Jesus.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Some bronze age scribes word, or do you have evidence to support your claim?

When was the bronze age ___________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, we can. And we can, and do, interpret them differently and come to different conclusions. Hence the reason there are so many different brands of Christianity.......

Instead of thinking of checking every different brands of " Christianity " all one needs to do is compare the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of ' Christendom ' (so-called Christian) - Matthew 7:21-23

 

[YoursTrue]

I find since God's Power, His Strength is what starts creation (Psalms 104:30; Isaiah 40:26 ) then God is the dynamic Power and Strength behind the Big Bang and Not evolution.

There is no doubt. Otherwise, and this is what some refuse to acknowledge, it did not happen as scientists might purport it to be.

 

[YoursTrue]

When one studies history, what they find out is that the "good old days" were really so good after all.

I know you must be kidding. Aren't you? or did you leave out the word 'not' there?

 

[YoursTrue]

Cheers.
He is doing the typical fundamental trick of ignoring the opposition and attempting to twist the conversation to massage her ego

Looking at your insignia quotation there -- it is a shame that there is so much beauty in life, even those that are mistreated and have misfortune see the possibility of beauty in life -- yet for some, when it's gone, it's gone and there is no hope in their minds of eternal life in a beautiful setting for them while alive.

 

[ppp]

I knew there would be someone like you saying the world is getting better. OK, enjoy, thanks.

There is no time in the past that I would prefer to live more than the present.

 

[ChristineM]

When was the bronze age ___________

From around 2000 bc to as late as 300 bc

 

[gnostic]

When was the bronze age ___________

It depends on the regions and sites.

Some started early, while others started late.

From western Iran to Israel and Egypt, it started around 3200 and ended around 1100 or 1050 BCE.

In the Indian subcontinent, from 3300 to 1200 BCE.

In China, from 3100 to 300 BCE.

The Aegean civilization (Greece and western Anatolian Turkey), 3050 to 1050 BCE.

In Central Europe, from 2800 to 750 BCE.

The above dates are all approximate estimates, based on the earliest finds of bronze artifacts in those regions.

Plus the transition between Bronze Age and Iron Age are so clear-cut, because although iron may be used early, bronze might still be persistently used for centuries, depending on the availability of iron.

And some places like the cultures in the Oceanic islands and Australia, never have Bronze Age and Iron Age.

Before the 1950s, historians and archaeologists traditionally used 3000 to 1000 BCE, but contemporary define each respective Bronze Age cultures on when those regions started using bronze.

Although this may cause confusion, it is nevertheless more accurate to assign start and stop dates, dependent on the respective regions.

 

[metis]

I know you must be kidding. Aren't you? or did you leave out the word 'not' there?

Yep, so sorry for my error. Thanks.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I said, ".We don't have any idea whether or not the words in the Bible were actually uttered by Jesus."

And this is your response? Did you not even read what I wrote??

But we do find that often Jesus prefaced his statements with the words, " It is written...." meaning already written down in the OT.
Besides the recorded words attributed to Jesus we can also see the internal harmony among the Bible writers.
Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his teachings.
Jesus explained and expounded on the OT for us.
To me it would Not seem logical that could just happen being done by another person besides Jesus.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yep, so sorry for my error. Thanks.

Thanks for acknowledging that. No problem.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I said, " We don't have any idea whether or not the words in the Bible were actually uttered by Jesus."..................

True, I used the name Jesus and that is the name that fits all that was written about a man named Jesus.
The 'uttered words' match what is recorded in the old Hebrew Scriptures which is in harmony with Scripture.
Pilate was not speaking to and about an unknown person.

 

[SkepticThinker]

True, I used the name Jesus and that is the name that fits all that was written about a man named Jesus.
The 'uttered words' match what is recorded in the old Hebrew Scriptures which is in harmony with Scripture.
Pilate was not speaking to and about an unknown person.

We don't have any words uttered by Jesus. We have secondhand stories of people claiming that Jesus said stuff. Jesus didn't actually write anything himself.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We don't have any words uttered by Jesus. We have second hand stories of people claiming that Jesus said stuff. Jesus didn't actually write anything himself.

In the Bible, God is the Bible's Author (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
It does Not mean Jesus did not write about things but that there was No need for him to write Scripture.
God used the many Bible writers to write about His Son aka Messiah who is named as Jesus in the Bible.

 

[SkepticThinker]

In the Bible, God is the Bible's Author (2 Timothy 3:1-17)

This just adds another claim to the pile.
Humans are the authors of the Bible.

It does Not mean Jesus did not write about things but that there was No need for him to write Scripture.
God used the many Bible writers to write about His Son aka Messiah who is named as Jesus in the Bible.

Jesus didn't write down one single thing, as far as we know.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This just adds another claim to the pile.
Humans are the authors of the Bible. Jesus didn't write down one single thing, as far as we know.

The last time I looked around it is only humans who write anything down.
So, to me it is a logical choice for Author God to use people to write down His wishes - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

 

[SkepticThinker]

The last time I looked around it is only humans who write anything down.
So, to me it is a logical choice for Author God to use people to write down His wishes - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Me too, hence my comment. Claiming that God used people to write anything down, is a claim (two claims, actually), not in evidence.

 

[gnostic]

The last time I looked around it is only humans who write anything down.
So, to me it is a logical choice for Author God to use people to write down His wishes - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Sorry, but that’s no better than the claims of Gabriel’s visitation to Muhammad and the angel dictated the Qur’an to him and Muhammad dictated to his followers, or the claims that the angel’s visitation (Moroni) to Joseph Smith, who received and translated some gold plates (supposedly written in reformed Egyptian, not Biblical Hebrew that supposedly were the last Jews to left Judah with Lehi for the New World) into the Book of Mormon, before the plates disappeared to Heaven.

The accounts of both of these prophets about their scriptures coming from god, are as flimsy as people claiming the author of the Bible is God.

The credibilities of divine authorship cannot be verified in any ways.

 

[YoursTrue]

True, I used the name Jesus and that is the name that fits all that was written about a man named Jesus.
The 'uttered words' match what is recorded in the old Hebrew Scriptures which is in harmony with Scripture.
Pilate was not speaking to and about an unknown person.

We do know that many Jews, while claiming to honor the Torah as well as the books (scrolls) of what is commonly called the Old Testament, do not accept the writings of the accounts after that, and of course are not believing that Jesus is the foretold Messiah. We can see that also from the condemnation he received in his discussions with many Jewish religious leaders. Yet he was resurrected, something no man could take away.
John 18-So Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.”