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Let's not talk about the Big Bang

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
It certainly may be associated with energy, momentum, and stress forces, but -- according to the NASA website, no one really know what gravity is. Of course it holds our bodies to the earth and the pull of gravity on the moon makes it difficult for men to walk as they would on the earth. But no one really knows what gravity is. There are explanations that go into more detail, but in the end and long run, no one really knows what gravity is.
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Oh boy, well then by that standard there is no God since the Bible keeps repeating that claim.

You are reading that out of context.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Of course not. That is why you buy into the old failed ideas that you do.

Are you aware that by studying the light from the Sun they can tell what elements are in the Sun?
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Don't embarrass yourself further, you are out of your depth. If you want to post me, please be relevant.
Thank you.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ben Dhyan said:
Don't embarrass yourself further, you are out of your depth. If you want to post me, please be relevant.
Thank you.
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LOL! I was. You are embarrassing yourself. You contradicted yourself and do not realize it. And then when I tried to genuinely help you you answered with arrogance and ignorance..

What I posted was very relevant. You should try to learn why.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
LOL! I was. You are embarrassing yourself. You contradicted yourself and do not realize it. And then when I tried to genuinely help you you answered with arrogance and ignorance..

What I posted was very relevant. You should try to learn why.
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Ok, so please be serious and inform precisely where you think I contradicted myself?
Thank you.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Holy crap!

Post 682. Now it looks as if you were insulting automatically. Is that what you do when you have nothing?
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You can't be serious, astronomical spectral analysis is elementary stuff, of course I am aware. Now I really do understand you are out of your depth!
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
If you understood it you would have seen your error.
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What error are you talking about, again please provide the post number?
Thank you.

While you are at it, let's see how you do with this one? Polymath said this to me in his post #654, "Dust and IGM produces a reddening, not a red shift."
How does dust and IGM cause reddening without lowering the frequency?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ben Dhyan said:
What error are you talking about, again please provide the post number?
Thak you.

While you are at it, let's see how you do with this one? Polymath said this to me in his post #654, "Dust and IGM produces a reddening, not a red shift."
How does dust and IGM cause reddening without lowering the frequency?
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That was ultimately the error that I was working towards. A red shift is a shift by the same amount of all frequencies. So if the frequency of one spectral line is red shifted by a half, all of the other spectral lines would be shifted by one half. That is a red shift. "a reddening" is a general trend to a lower frequency bit it is not going to be shifted by the same factor for all frequencies. For example some of the obstacles of space are transparent to specific frequencies. Those frequencies will not be shifted, or not shifted as much. With the reddening of scattering the spectrum of light would be ruined.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
That was ultimately the error that I was working towards. A red shift is a shift by the same amount of all frequencies. So if the frequency of one spectral line is red shifted by a half, all of the other spectral lines would be shifted by one half. That is a red shift. "a reddening" is a general trend to a lower frequency bit it is not going to be shifted by the same factor for all frequencies. For example some of the obstacles of space are transparent to specific frequencies. Those frequencies will not be shifted, or not shifted as much. With the reddening of scattering the spectrum of light would be ruined.
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You didn't answer the question, why does dust and IGM cause a reddening, but NO redshift, ie., no lowering of frequencies?

My response was the only technical way I could imagine it happening, more attenuation of the higher frequencies, thereby changing the shape of the spectrum to reflect a greater signal of the red range of frequencies in comparison.

And besides, all this is moot anyway, for apparently dust and IGM do cause a redshift!

The New Tired Light Theory correctly predicts the redshift of the CorBor galaxy cluster.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ben Dhyan said:
You didn't answer the question, why does dust and IGM cause a reddening, but NO redshift, ie., no lowering of frequencies?

My response was the only technical way I could imagine it happening, more attenuation of the higher frequencies, thereby changing the shape of the spectrum to reflect a greater signal of the red range of frequencies in comparison.

And besides, all this is moot anyway, for apparently dust and IGM do cause a redshift!

The New Tired Light Theory correctly predicts the redshift of the CorBor galaxy cluster.
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Yes, I did. It is in there. Once again, dust is transparent to some wavelengths of light. That cannot be scattered, or scattered as much. Objects have to interact to redden. If an object is transparent to a frequency that means that frequency will not redden.

A red shift caused by velocity, or stretching of space, will shift all frequencies, including the ones that are transparent to dust. Your model will not shift those frequencies.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Yes, I did. It is in there. Once again, dust is transparent to some wavelengths of light. That cannot be scattered, or scattered as much. Objects have to interact to redden. If an object is transparent to a frequency that means that frequency will not redden.

A red shift caused by velocity, or stretching of space, will shift all frequencies, including the ones that are transparent to dust. Your model will not shift those frequencies.
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Utter nonsense!

Besides, did you not just read The New Tired Light Theory correctly predicts the redshift of the CorBor galaxy cluster. ?
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
YoursTrue said:
Just watching a show on cable about astronomy and exploration of space and the possibility scientists say of life out there. (It's so stupid...) So they say they see no signs of life out there, and then wonder if there is life like ours. Imagine that. Life like ours somewhere out there maybe. So it just hasn't "evolved" yet, I suppose. Or maybe these evolved beings look like? a horror being?
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Well, could be stupid, but I know people who go even further. They think there is even something more than the Universe out there, with spirits and angels inhabiting it.

ciao

- viole
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Ben Dhyan said:
So please try and keep up, The New Tired Light Theory correctly predicts the redshift of the CorBor galaxy cluster.

The New Tired Light Theory (NTL) is tested by using known data of the distance to the Corona Borealis galaxy cluster (A2065 in particular) and from this predicting the red-shift of the galaxy. This is then compared to the measured value. In NTL, photons of light are continually absorbed and re-emitted by the electrons in the plasma of interga-lactic space which recoil both on absorption and re-emission. Energy is transferred from the photon to the recoiling electron and thus the photon energy is reduced, the frequency is reduced and the wavelength is increased. It is redshifted. Using the wavelength of the ‘K line’ of ionised calcium, standard physics and published collision cross-sections, the predicted redshift by NTL is found to be z = 0.067. This compares favorably with the measured redshift value of 0.0714 - they agree to within 6%. The energy transferred to the recoiling electron is emitted as secondary photons. The predicted wavelength of these secondary photons is calculated and is shown to be in the microwave region of the electro-magnetic spectrum. This again is consistent with the NTL prediction that these secondary photons form the CMB.

The New Tired Light Theory correctly predicts the redshift of the CorBor galaxy cluster.
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Another paper from that repository of unfiltered junk, academia.edu.
en.wikipedia.org

Academia.edu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Why would it be nonsense? And no, I did not read that. Do you think that it is a valid work? Why?
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Because of a red shift proportional to radiation distance light has travelled, which may displace the belief that the red shift is caused by spatial expansion. Apply Occam's razor to the problem, and we can drop the impossible assumption that the universe came from nothing in a big bang. and we are left with an eternal infinite universe whereby the red shift is telling us the distance to the point of origin of the light.
 
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