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Let's not talk about the Big Bang

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Ben Dhyan said:
Because of a red shift proportional to radiation distance light has travelled, which may displace the belief that the red shift is caused by spatial expansion. Apply Occam's razor to the problem, and we can drop the impossible assumption that the universe came from nothing in a big bang. and we are left with an eternal infinite universe whereby the red shift is telling us the distance to the point of origin of the light.
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Except that the evidence clearly supports the Big Bang, Tired light does not even have a proper mechanism. The one example that you chose failed. It gave different rates of redddening for different frequencies.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Subduction Zone said:
Except that the evidence clearly supports the Big Bang, Tired light does not even have a proper mechanism. The one example that you chose failed. It gave different rates of redddening for different frequencies.
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Really, what evidence do you have to show conditions prior to the BB?
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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Ben Dhyan said:
What error are you talking about, again please provide the post number?
Thank you.

While you are at it, let's see how you do with this one? Polymath said this to me in his post #654, "Dust and IGM produces a reddening, not a red shift."
How does dust and IGM cause reddening without lowering the frequency?
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By increasing the amount of red light That is very different than the frequency shift seen in red shifts.

For example, if you compare *two* spectral lines from the same element, when red shifted, both lines will appear but at a lower frequency. In reddening, the lines will extinguish and be replaced by a more thermalized emission in the infrared. The effects are very different.

Galactic red shifts are not do to reddening as from interaction with dust, but are proportional changes in frequency among all points of the original spectrum.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Polymath257 said:
By increasing the amount of red light That is very different than the frequency shift seen in red shifts.

For example, if you compare *two* spectral lines from the same element, when red shifted, both lines will appear but at a lower frequency. In reddening, the lines will extinguish and be replaced by a more thermalized emission in the infrared. The effects are very different.

Galactic red shifts are not do to reddening as from interaction with dust, but are proportional changes in frequency among all points of the original spectrum.
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The theory has shown that the redshift is induced from the energy loss of photons by the interaction with material particles on their journey through
Author: Ming-Hui Shao, Na Wang, Zhi-Fu Gao
Publish Year: 2018

We note that tired-light redshifts and expansion redshifts have much in common. Unlike the Doppler effect, both consist of a steady displacement toward the red end of the spectrum as light traverses vast regions of space.
Evry Schatzman (1920-2010)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335107864_The_tired-light_paradigm_revisited
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Ben Dhyan said:
The theory has shown that the redshift is induced from the energy loss of photons by the interaction with material particles on their journey through
Author: Ming-Hui Shao, Na Wang, Zhi-Fu Gao
Publish Year: 2018

We note that tired-light redshifts and expansion redshifts have much in common. Unlike the Doppler effect, both consist of a steady displacement toward the red end of the spectrum as light traverses vast regions of space.
Evry Schatzman (1920-2010)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335107864_The_tired-light_paradigm_revisited
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How does a non-peer reviewed article that you have not read, much less understood help you?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Subduction Zone said:
Sorry, that is not good enough. That is a separate issue. You said this:

"Because to hypothesize a BB without knowing pre-existing conditions, the BB model can not be validated."

Please justify it.
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It is common sense, do you not possess it, how can you look me in the eye and tell me there was a BB that created all that exists, but I don't know how, where, or why it happened.

So let me ask you a new question, why don't you know why the BB happened?
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
Sorry, that is not good enough. That is a separate issue. You said this:

"Because to hypothesize a BB without knowing pre-existing conditions, the BB model can not be validated."

Please justify it.
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Except that it's true. And from what I have read of Ben Dhyan's posts, I don't always agree with his ideas, but nevertheless, he asked a good question. It's almost, not quite, like the theory of abiogenesis. :) Oh, but stick to figuring the validity of not knowing or knowing what was before the "Big Bang." :) Perhaps then we can talk about gravity. :)
 
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