Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[Subduction Zone]

I know the existence is eternal. you do not know that.

No, you just believe that.

Knowledge is demonstrable. And you have only demonstrated a lack of knowledge here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, actually I'm not sure what you are saying about my belief. I am saying simply that according to the theories, abiogenesis is integral to evolution. Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis. Granted the theory of evolution is certainly more detailed than that of abiogenesis but it cannot be possible (even if I disagree with the theory of evolution) without starting somewhere, somehow. (which I am saying is abiogenesis for the theoretical scientific view)

It started somewhere. But it was after life itself started.

 

[YoursTrue]

It started somewhere. But it was after life itself started.

It makes much more sense to me that God breathed the breath of life into whatever and however He did it. Rather than it coming about by some chemical reaction without an intelligent force. We have nostrils, and in relation to the body they're pretty small. Yet we must keep breathing otherwise we die. I find that amazing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It makes much more sense to me that God breathed the breath of life into whatever and however He did it. Rather than it coming about by some chemical reaction without an intelligent force. We have nostrils, and in relation to the body they're pretty small. Yet we must keep breathing otherwise we die. I find that amazing.

That is rather silly. You would rather believe a myth than what the evidence shows us to be the case.

Yes, we breathe. Do you know why? To keep those chemical reactions that you doubt going.

Have you ever considered reasoning rationally?

 

[We Never Know]

No, you just believe that.

Knowledge is demonstrable. And you have only demonstrated a lack of knowledge here.

I accept existence is eternal because.....

if absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing existing

 

[Subduction Zone]

I accept existence is eternal because.....

if absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing existing

That does not sound like sound reasoning. There is a big unknown at the start of our universe. There may be more out there. Or time itself may have started with our universe. I am not saying it is either one for sure. I am saying that we really do not know. One can believe either way.

 

[We Never Know]

That does not sound like sound reasoning. There is a big unknown at the start of our universe. There may be more out there. Or time itself may have started with our universe. I am not saying it is either one for sure. I am saying that we really do not know. One can believe either way.

Hmmm... You already more or less agreed to this...

"If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

With your post of "That sort of nothing may not be possible"

Things exist so....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmmm... You already more or less agreed to this...

"If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

With your post of "That sort of nothing may not be possible"

Things exist so....

No, you misunderstood

 

[We Never Know]

No, you misunderstood

I said... ""If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

You said... "That sort of nothing may not be possible"


Explain the misunderstanding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I said... ""If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

You said... "That sort of nothing may not be possible"


Explain the misunderstanding.

There was no agreement.

 

[We Never Know]

There was no agreement.

So you disagree with the statement of....

"If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

Which means if you disagree, then you claim something always existed.

 

[exchemist]

The key words are "back in time to a certain point". You are telling me that I am not supposed to ask about beyond that certain point? What sort of science is that, where did you get that idea?

Does BB science believe in a miracle? Definition: an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency:
miracle definition - Bing

Read my post. I said that though you can always ask more questions, a given model of science may not provide answers to everything you might like to know.

Science does not do metaphysics.

 

[We Never Know]

Read my post. I said that though you can always ask more questions, a given model of science may not provide answers to everything you might like to know.

Science does not do metaphysics.

"a given model of science may not provide answers to everything"

I 100% agree with that statement. Which leaves the BB, abiogenisis, a god and creation lacking answers.

 

[exchemist]

Good! Now we all can agree that we don't know how the universe started and when anyone says the BB.... its the wrong answer.

The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.

 

[exchemist]

"a given model of science may not provide answers to everything"

I 100% agree with that statement. Which leaves the BB, abiogenisis, a god and creation lacking answers.

Lacking metaphysical answers certainly. Certain classes of questions are within the domain of science. Others are not. Your list is a mixture, needing more discipline in thinking on your part.

 

[We Never Know]

The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.

"that there was a start"

So at one point, before the start, absolutely nothing ever existed? That would would mean absolutely nothing should still exist.

 

[exchemist]

"that there was a start"

So at one point, before the start, absolutely nothing ever existed? That would would mean absolutely nothing should still exist.

Nope.

 

[We Never Know]

Nope.

So something always existed??

Its either something always existed or absolutely nothing existed?

Then we have to ask if something always existed, without time or space, how did it exist and what did it exist in?

 

[We Never Know]

The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.

"The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started"

So do you agree there was a "start" before expansion?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you disagree with the statement of....

"If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

Which means if you disagree, then you claim something always existed.

It could be wrong. You are trying to use a black and white fallacy. This is in the area of "We don't know yet."