Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[We Never Know]

That sort of nothing may not be possible. And that ais the point. When a physicist says that the universe could have come from nothing you would need to ask them how they define "nothing". As far as mass and energy it appears that the universe could have come from "nothing" because the total energy of the universe when measured is as close to zero as they can measure.

"May not be possible"?

If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing. IMO I think its safe to say isnt possible

 

[Subduction Zone]

the Theory of Evolution is absolutely connected to the theories of abiogenesis. There can be no evolution without a beginning. It is inextricably connected. You and I have a difference of opinion about this as well as what others believe.

This error o fyours has been explained to you many times.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Evolution as what happened after life formed no matter if it was by abiogenesis, a god, an alien, etc.. Evolution happened after.

Exactly. It is very strange to have the believe that a God can make all life out of nothing while at the same time believing that a God cannot create even a single celled organism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You're bringing me back to days gone by when I might say, yeah, sure...(and walk away).

The problem is that popele sometimes go out of their way not to understand. They can even understand the concept of potential energy and see how that is "negative energy" in the world of physics. But putting it together iinto what it means when the energy of the universe is measured to be zero is beyond them. Or as in something that you just demonstrated that you understood is how evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. Yes, abiogenesis is the probably answer but people into the sciences value honesty and proper explanations.

 

[YoursTrue]

This error o fyours has been explained to you many times.

It doesn't matter how many times it has been explained that abiogenesis and evolution have no connection. Because -- there IS no explanation that meets the qualifications of explaining how the two are not connected. (None whatsoever.)

 

[YoursTrue]

The problem is that popele sometimes go out of their way not to understand. They can even understand the concept of potential energy and see how that is "negative energy" in the world of physics. But putting it together iinto what it means when the energy of the universe is measured to be zero is beyond them. Or as in something that you just demonstrated that you understood is how evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. Yes, abiogenesis is the probably answer but people into the sciences value honesty and proper explanations.

(yeah yeah yeah...)

 

[Subduction Zone]

It doesn't matter how many times it has been explained that abiogenesis and evolution have no connection. Because -- there IS no explanation that meets the qualifications of explaining how the two are not connected. (None whatsoever.)

That is not true. You just cannot understand the very simple explanations.

Which is weird.

 

[We Never Know]

Exactly. It is very strange to have the believe that a God can make all life out of nothing while at the same time believing that a God cannot create even a single celled organism.

If you accept this...

"Evolution is what happened after life formed no matter if it was by abiogenesis, a god, an alien, etc.. Evolution happened after.

You should accept this ..

The BB is what happened after the universe began no matter if it was by a god, an alien, a fairy, etc.. The BB happened after the start, it was not the beginning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

(yeah yeah yeah...)

Sorry, I thought that I was responding to someone else.

Tell me, why do you believe that a God could have created all life but you do not believe that God created a single celled organism?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you accept this...

"Evolution is what happened after life formed no matter if it was by abiogenesis, a god, an alien, etc.. Evolution happened after.

You should accept this ..

The BB is what happened after the universe began no matter if it was by a god, an alien, a fairy, etc.. The BB happened after the start, it was not the beginning.

That works.

We can say that we know that the Big Bang happened. We do not yet know its cause.

 

[We Never Know]

Exactly. It is very strange to have the believe that a God can make all life out of nothing while at the same time believing that a God cannot create even a single celled organism.

"believing that a God cannot create even a single celled organism.

Never seen anyone claim that. We are beyond a single celled organism so......

 

[Subduction Zone]

"believing that a God cannot create even a single celled organism.

Never seen anyone claim that. We are beyond a single celled organism so......

Essentially that is what @YoursTrue is doing because when it comes to evolution she thinks that it can only start by abiogenesis. In other words she is saying in response to the God and alien part:


"Evolution is what happened after life formed no matter if it was by abiogenesis, a god, an alien, etc.. Evolution happened after."

Those other two are impossible somehow. Abiogenesis can only be natural. It makes no sense to me either.

 

[YoursTrue]

Essentially that is what @YoursTrue is doing because when it comes to evolution she thinks that it can only start by abiogenesis. In other words she is saying in response to the God and alien part:


"Evolution is what happened after life formed no matter if it was by abiogenesis, a god, an alien, etc.. Evolution happened after."

Those other two are impossible somehow. Abiogenesis can only be natural. It makes no sense to me either.

OK, actually I'm not sure what you are saying about my belief. I am saying simply that according to the theories, abiogenesis is integral to evolution. Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis. Granted the theory of evolution is certainly more detailed than that of abiogenesis but it cannot be possible (even if I disagree with the theory of evolution) without starting somewhere, somehow. (which I am saying is abiogenesis for the theoretical scientific view)

 

[We Never Know]

OK, actually I'm not sure what you are saying about my belief. I am saying simply that according to the theories, abiogenesis is integral to evolution. Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis. Granted the theory of evolution is certainly more detailed than that of abiogenesis but it cannot be possible (even if I disagree with the theory of evolution) without starting somewhere, somehow. (which I am saying is abiogenesis for the theoretical scientific view)

"Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis."

So are you claiming that if a god created simple life it wouldn't evolve?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why are you commenting? You have shown that you know less than I do.

I know the existence is eternal. you do not know that.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nothing does not exist now. And you probably cannot even define "nothing" properly. What is nothing?

Haha...nothing is nothing. If you do not know what nothing is, you may imagine something nothing is not.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Such projection.

That's what I call running away. You admit you do not know why there was a BB, do you want to know why? Because existence is eternal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, actually I'm not sure what you are saying about my belief. I am saying simply that according to the theories, abiogenesis is integral to evolution. Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis. Granted the theory of evolution is certainly more detailed than that of abiogenesis but it cannot be possible (even if I disagree with the theory of evolution) without starting somewhere, somehow. (which I am saying is abiogenesis for the theoretical scientific view)

Please, show how this is the case. Quote and link a valid source.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's what I call running away. You admit you do not know why there was a BB, do you want to know why? Because existence is eternal.

LOL!! No, you are just making foolish arguments.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Haha...nothing is nothing. If you do not know what nothing is, you may imagine something nothing is not.

Like I said. You could not define it.

Another failure on your part.