Lets say AI is possible in the future.

[bobhikes]

This Artificial Intelligence gets to be impossibly smart even god like. We combine that with time travel. Is it possible that AI is currently manipulating the world through all our internet devices.

You thoughts
1) Not possible because
2) Not happing because
3) Yes this is what is happening today and this is AI's goal.

 

[Parsimony]

How far back in time are we presuming that it went? Is it only able to manipulate computers or does it have more power than that? Are we to assume that the goal of the AI is to bring about its own existence?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Uh oh, I smell a ridiculous new J.J. Abrams science fiction show rife with plot holes and logical inconsistencies.

 

[bobhikes]

Roko’s Basilisk: The most terrifying thought experiment of all time.

The link above explains in detail the belief. Rich people are actually spending money to fight this evil AI.

I got it from the BBC and was curious what others thought.

 

[Parsimony]

Oh...I've heard of that one before.

Roko's Basilisk, as I understand it, does not invoke time travel, however. I think there are some flaws there. If the Basilisk makes a bunch of simulations of me (and one of them might be the real me) and threatens to torture the simulations if I don't help bring about its own existence, that doesn't really do much good because:

(1) If I am a simulation, then none of my decisions would aid in bringing about the Basilisk's existence (since it would have to already exist just in order for me to be a simulation within its power) so threatening me is pointless.
(2) If I am not a simulation, then the Basilisk cannot harm me.

Seems like a win-win from my point of view.

 

[bobhikes]

Oh...I've heard of that one before.

Roko's Basilisk, as I understand it, does not invoke time travel, however. I think there are some flaws there. If the Basilisk makes a bunch of simulations of me (and one of them might be the real me) and threatens to torture the simulations if I don't help bring about its own existence, that doesn't really do much good because:

(1) If I am a simulation, then none of my decisions would aid in bringing about the Basilisk's existence (since it would have to already exist just in order for me to be a simulation within its power) so threatening me is pointless.
(2) If I am not a simulation, then the Basilisk cannot harm me.

Seems like a win-win from my point of view.

Yes the torture simulations are corney but the premise is not and it is about an Evil AI causing decisions to be made in the past in this writting to ensure its developement but it could be for anything for example elimination of Humans.

If AI is possible and time travel is possible, it makes for a dangerous world. Apparently there is a tech population that believes this.

My problems with it are.
1) I don't believe AI is possible
2) I don't believe time travel is possible.

 

[bobhikes]

250 Years in the future AI is born. AI will continue forever constantly collecting new data. Humans die and are born. 1000 years in the future time travel is solved. AI is bored with humans and starts testing time travel out. Perhaps changing who won a presidency. After 1500 years AI starts a project to rid itself of unnecessary humans that are just a bother to it and insure its development by manipulating time. Maybe discrediting Global warming so that half the population dies off. Putting the right people in power for WW3. Insuring disharmony. All the while insuring it is still made.

If you believe in AI and time travel it is not hard to believe the rest.

 

[Willamena]

This Artificial Intelligence gets to be impossibly smart even god like. We combine that with time travel. Is it possible that AI is currently manipulating the world through all our internet devices.

You thoughts
1) Not possible because
2) Not happing because
3) Yes this is what is happening today and this is AI's goal.

"Smart" is a god-like quality?

 

[bobhikes]

Barack Hussein Obama II Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, running unsuccessfully for the United States House of Representatives in 2000.
In 2004, Obama received national attention during his campaign to represent Illinois in the United States Senate with his victory in the March Democratic Party primary, his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July, and his election to the Senate in November.

This is Barack Obama before his Presidency. Unelected to the House of Representatives and only a first year Senator. A minority in his country with a name that people would relate to negatively. This would be the ultimate test for an AI computer before initiating its final plan.

 

[Parsimony]

1) I don't believe AI is possible

Interesting. Why not?

 

[Sir Doom]

This Artificial Intelligence gets to be impossibly smart even god like. We combine that with time travel. Is it possible that AI is currently manipulating the world through all our internet devices.

You thoughts
1) Not possible because
2) Not happing because
3) Yes this is what is happening today and this is AI's goal.

I don't think AI like that is realistic given our current computer technology. If we ever start engineering actual biological life, however... then maybe we'll have something we wish we never made. Still pretty slim that we'd make that mistake, though.

Time travel to the past is something else I think we'll never be able to do. Unless we somehow reversed every physical law in the universe simultaneously to put it back in a previous state. To the future, we'll have to rely on cryogenics or some other kind of stasis. I don't think the past and the future are actual things to go to. Time just adds the quality of change to everything. How it changes is determined by the the thing itself, not time.

I've never put much stock in the idea of a killer AI taking over the globe. We like machines to do the work for us, it doesn't serve any purpose to allow them the ability to say, "No."

 

[Father Heathen]

This Artificial Intelligence gets to be impossibly smart even god like. We combine that with time travel. Is it possible that AI is currently manipulating the world through all our internet devices.

You thoughts
1) Not possible because
2) Not happing because
3) Yes this is what is happening today and this is AI's goal.

What else could you do under the reign of a digital deity with a penchant for time travel other than run headfirst into a brick wall and turn into an accordion?

 

[Sir Doom]

What else could you do under the reign of a digital deity with a penchant for time travel other than run headfirst into a brick wall and turn into an accordion?

Aren't you supposed to ask it to solve logical paradoxes so it self-destructs?

 

[DreadFish]

Uh oh, I smell a ridiculous new J.J. Abrams science fiction show rife with plot holes and logical inconsistencies.

Fringe was a good show, sir :sarcastic



I mean, never mind the last season. By that time, I liked the characters enough to suspend disbelief enough to get through it. But still...

 

[bobhikes]

Interesting. Why not?

Intelligence is based on learning for survivals sake. To create a AI, you would first have to create a computer with a need to survive. It would then need to continually learn to survive changes. To survive it would also need to be able to adapt to change.

In other words AI has to be an open program that can rewrite itself and have the ability to change its form.

I guess in a temporary state, it might exist but not long term.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

250 Years in the future AI is born. AI will continue forever constantly collecting new data. Humans die and are born. 1000 years in the future time travel is solved. AI is bored with humans and starts testing time travel out. Perhaps changing who won a presidency. After 1500 years AI starts a project to rid itself of unnecessary humans that are just a bother to it and insure its development by manipulating time. Maybe discrediting Global warming so that half the population dies off. Putting the right people in power for WW3. Insuring disharmony. All the while insuring it is still made.

If you believe in AI and time travel it is not hard to believe the rest.

If AI already exists in the future, then it wouldn't need to do anything in the past to ensure its creation. In fact, anything it did to the past would only increase its chances of not being created.

 

[Parsimony]

Intelligence is based on learning for survivals sake. To create a AI, you would first have to create a computer with a need to survive. It would then need to continually learn to survive changes. To survive it would also need to be able to adapt to change.

In other words AI has to be an open program that can rewrite itself and have the ability to change its form.

I guess in a temporary state, it might exist but not long term.

Couldn't a survival scenario be simulated? If you were to put the AI in a simulated reality (perhaps like an advanced version of The Sims) where it had to learn in order to "win" the game, wouldn't that count? We have already made robots that can learn how to walk on their own without being programmed for it in advance.

 

[Sir Doom]

I was just thinking, its interesting you almost never hear about the super-mega-ultra AI that doesn't enslave humanity and cares about human rights and just does a damn fine job of making life better for us. I guess that would be a boring movie...

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I was just thinking, its interesting you almost never hear about the super-mega-ultra AI that doesn't enslave humanity and cares about human rights and just does a damn fine job of making life better for us. I guess that would be a boring movie...

Science fiction generally tends toward the dark and cynical in contemporary times.

 

[Vinayaka]

I grew up on a farm and I thought ... "But we already have AI."