Lets stop debating on God. Does Love exist ?

[TagliatelliMonster]

So things that have a borrowed existence aren't objective things?

Bad choice of word on my part.

No, you are right, love objectively exists.
What I rather meant is that it has no independent existence in and of itself.
It exists as a component / product of a brain, like other emotions.
Emotion is objectively real. As real as the brains that produce them.

 

[SalixIncendium]

GMm/r^2. Its everywhere, decreases with distance - small - but everywhere.

If an area of interstellar space has net zero gravity, gravity only has a potential for existence. At least that's the way I learned it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How ? example please ?

I just looked under a rock. There was no love there.

 

[Unseeking seeker]

A poem titled ~ What is love

the love we speak of
is not a trade
being unconditional
it assigns no grade

most seek reciprocation
or at least recognition
but true love dear hearts
is bliss ignition

look for these signposts
joy, empathy, peace, purity
all encompassing compassion
free from insecurity

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hi atheist !
Lets stop debating on God.

Now the question is:
Does love exist ? what do you say ?

In this case I believe the ideal of love is abstract, and what we experience are impure interactions with this ideal.

Also by saying 'Hi atheist' you create a false dichotomy, because there are no ideal believers in my opinion. Anyone who thinks must at the same moment doubt. How can a person both believe God provides and also eat food to live? Their words do not match their actions. The ideal that they attempt to be: a believer: is not physically possible for them. Neither is perfect love attainable for a physical thing.

 

[wellwisher]

I love my children, i love my husband, i love my parents, to a lesser degree i love my relatives and friends. So yes, i experience love all the time, both giving and receiving.

Say we had a person who by unique circumstances never learned, gave or experienced love. If they did not understand love, how would convince them that love existed?

Watching others go though the motions of love; cuddling, laughing, smiling, sharing, may not induce love inside them. Love is also about that inner feeling that helps us differentiate the concept. However, science does not trust inside data, therefore love does not exist in terms of science, except as soft science. Love is more important in religion, which allows for inner experiences, that are not obvious by simply observing someone go through the motions, calling those motions, love.

Mr Spock tried to control his emotions so he could observe data without the bias of emotions. However, it is that internal integral bias that is foundation of love. Science may only be able to sees the external motions of love in actions and physiology, but lacks the needed internal bias focus for love and religion.

 

[ChristineM]

Doesn't omnipresent mean present in all places at all times?

Does gravity exist in intergalactic space?

The strength of gravity at any point can be estimated using the inverse square formula so in effect it is infinite. Yes, gravity is present in intergalactic space but very weakly

 

[ChristineM]

Say we had a person who by unique circumstances never learned, gave or experienced love. If they did not understand love, how would convince them that love existed?

Watching others go though the motions of love; cuddling, laughing, smiling, sharing, may not induce love inside them. Love is also about that inner feeling that helps us differentiate the concept. However, science does not trust inside data, therefore love does not exist in terms of science, except as soft science. Love is more important in religion, which allows for inner experiences, that are not obvious by simply observing someone go through the motions, calling those motions, love.

Mr Spock tried to control his emotions so he could observe data without the bias of emotions. However, it is that internal integral bias that is foundation of love. Science may only be able to sees the external motions of love in actions and physiology, but lacks the needed internal bias focus for love and religion.

See my post #10

 

[RestlessSoul]

It is an actual thing. But an actual thing that exists as a component of another actual thing: a brain.

Love isn't something that exists by itself, independently of brains. Love is an emotion. A product of a physical brain.

There is nothing in this universe which exists by itself, independently of the rest of existence.

But by what cosmic alchemy did something as complex, as powerful, as fragile, and as loaded with almost infinite possibility as the human brain, emerge from out of the universe's molecular soup?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is nothing in this universe which exists by itself, independently of the rest of existence.

That's a very broad brush you're painting with.

But by what cosmic alchemy did something as complex, as powerful, as fragile, and as loaded with almost infinite possibility as the human brain, emerge from out of the universe's molecular soup?

It's called biological evolution.

 

[chinu]

So, you'd think that, with all this talk about "love," there would be more of it in the world. Perhaps it's analogous to an unstable element which can sometimes be good and wonderful - but sometimes misused. Perhaps there's a certain power behind it which can either be used for good or bad.

If misused, then also it has no effect on love.

The one who misuses means:
One loves to misuse love.

It love riding everyone/everything all the time. Nobody/nothing can ride love.

I wrote op. It’s love who told me to write.
I replied. It’s love who told me to replied.
If I misused. It’s love that told me to do so.

I am driven by love. Love is blind. I can only control love’s direction but cannot stop it.

 

[RestlessSoul]

That's a very broad brush you're painting with.


It's called biological evolution.

How does biological evolution account for the existence of a galaxy capable of generating and supporting life in some small corner of itself?

 

[ChristineM]

How does biological evolution account for the existence of a galaxy capable of generating and supporting life in some small corner of itself?

Nope, The galaxy came first galaxy and accounts for biological evolution.

And who is to say life is only in one small corner of the galaxy. We simplify do not know if other life exists in our galaxy

 

[chinu]

A poem titled ~ What is love

the love we speak of
is not a trade
being unconditional
it assigns no grade

most seek reciprocation
or at least recognition
but true love dear hearts
is bliss ignition

look for these signposts
joy, empathy, peace, purity
all encompassing compassion
free from insecurity

Am 100% agree with the poem. But NOT the title.

Title should be; What is true love between A and B. Rather just: What is love.

 

[chinu]

See my post #10

If am not wrong I think you love your post # 10 very much, isn’t ?

 

[dybmh]

Hi atheist !
Lets stop debating on God.

Now the question is:
Does love exist ? what do you say ?

great question!

note: not all atheists are materialists, of course...

in general the materialists reduce it to chemistry... and when they do this I wonder if they've ever actually experienced true love. but i try to keep in mind, atheists who come here rarely if ever will admit to anything, anything at all which could possibly, ever, support theism. that includes love as a "spiritual" phenomenon. that means they will always deny that love is anything but chemical. but it's possible they are more open minded in real life. possible. likely? eh.

that said, good luck debating with them. i have many of them on ignore, because, I've found they do not discuss nor debate with integrity.

 

[ChristineM]

If am not wrong I think you love your post # 10 very much, isn’t ?

Not really, but it does contain a link that answers some of the questions asked in this thread

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doesn't this ALSO sounds like that you are talking about God ?

Sure. As long as it's understood it's a concept born of one's mind, real in the cerebral realm, and not an actual real thing aside from ourselves in the natural world.

Love is an emotion like the God puppets people project themselves into.

I thought you wanted to stop debating about God?

 

[Stevicus]

If misused, then also it has no effect on love.

The one who misuses means:
One loves to misuse love.

It love riding everyone/everything all the time. Nobody/nothing can ride love.

I wrote op. It’s love who told me to write.
I replied. It’s love who told me to replied.
If I misused. It’s love that told me to do so.

I am driven by love. Love is blind. I can only control love’s direction but cannot stop it.

So, then, it seems we agree that love exists, which was your original question.

But other than that, I have no real issue or dispute with love. Love is perfectly fine by me. I approve of love. I've heard some people say that love makes the world go round. But there are others who say that money makes the world go round, but then there are those who love money or equate money with love.

I think it's the same old story, as with any abstract idea. People talk about love in a certain way, but when talk is actually translated into human action and choices, it can go every which way.

So, there's nothing really wrong with love. It's just that humans are just totally messed up, as a species. It could be our biology and the physical limitations of nature.

If only there was some powerful being, some "god" somewhere that could fix all this and bring us all to true enlightenment. That would really be something...if only.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Nope, The galaxy came first galaxy and accounts for biological evolution.

And who is to say life is only in one small corner of the galaxy. We simplify do not know if other life exists in our galaxy

But we do know that life exists here, and that the probability of it doing so has been calculated to be somewhere in the region of 10^10^123.

In statistical terms this is effectively a miracle, since in probability theory any outcome with odds less than 1 in 10^70 is considered an impossibility.


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