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Leviticus 23 Holy days

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
You could just look up a calendar on a site like chabad.org or look at Jewish Calendar 5780 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

By the way, why file this under biblical debates?

Notice his avatar: Y'shua. There is a group of people in the Hebrew Roots and Messianic movement of Christianity who reject Christian holidays and have adopted their interpretation of the Biblical Judaism as their ultimate authority about religion (exposing their fundamentalist Christian origins.) They are pushy about the Karaite calendar. They reject rabbinic authority and seem to want to argue about when the Sabbath and other Holy Days should be observed contra mainstream Judaism. Don't know if this is the case here, but it could explain why it is in the debate section.
 

roberto

Active Member
Notice his avatar: Y'shua. There is a group of people in the Hebrew Roots and Messianic movement of Christianity who reject Christian holidays and have adopted their interpretation of the Biblical Judaism as their ultimate authority about religion (exposing their fundamentalist Christian origins.) They are pushy about the Karaite calendar. They reject rabbinic authority and seem to want to argue about when the Sabbath and other Holy Days should be observed contra mainstream Judaism. Don't know if this is the case here, but it could explain why it is in the debate section.

I have made a mistake opening up this line in the debate section.

My intentions were to "help" those Christians who want to know how the Feasts of the Creator are placed on the Gregorian calendar to get a simplistic view of achieving this.

I myself "turned around" from the Heathen feasts, seeing the feasts of Christianity are of heathen origin.
 

roberto

Active Member
It's a fun project. It's all math though. right?

It would be "math" (using google) but then I would also like to show how to "roughly" determine the New Moon day, physically and how to determine the Equinox physically(without any electronic resources)
 

roberto

Active Member
Sure, but how would I know which is the "first" month without a tradition.

I believe the equinox is used for determining the first month. Usually it falls on 21 march, but can shift.

If using an "upside down" T on the day of equinox , the shadow made by the sun of the vertical of the T would be equal in length throughout the day.

Planting a stick in the ground would also achieve this.
 

roberto

Active Member
So.... is "The Google" correct? Ignoring timezone?

Or are you looking to drill down to the precise sunset time?

dybmh, The idea is not to try and be precise, the idea is to show Christians the basics of how one gets to the days that is mentioned in Leviticus23 .

When I turned around from my pagan roots, this was a very critical problem I had in not understanding how this is accomplished.

When leaving your pagan feasts behind, you now have to adapt/change to our Creators Holy days. If you are alone in the Nations, this is VERY VERY difficult to achieve without input/help from our Jewish brethren.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
dybmh, The idea is not to try and be precise, the idea is to show Christians the basics of how one gets to the days that is mentioned in Leviticus23 .

When I turned around from my pagan roots, this was a very critical problem I had in not understanding how this is accomplished.

When leaving your pagan feasts behind, you now have to adapt/change to our Creators Holy days. If you are alone in the Nations, this is VERY VERY difficult to achieve without input/help from our Jewish brethren.
Excuse me, but you are a Christian, you accept the NT. We Noachides and Jews are far from your 'brethren' in any way. We can answer your questions, sure thing, but please don't pretend our religions are alike.
 

roberto

Active Member
Excuse me, but you are a Christian, you accept the NT. We Noachides and Jews are far from your 'brethren' in any way. We can answer your questions, sure thing, but please don't pretend our religions are alike.

Listen noahide, please go look for arguments/attention with your rabbi, I'm not interested in wasting time on your thumb sucking.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Listen noahide, please go look for arguments/attention with your rabbi, I'm not interested in wasting time on your thumb sucking.
I was just being honest with you. Our religions are nothing alike and I don't appreciate you trying to work your way into our community. I don't mind that you're a Christian, I really don't make it my affair, but when you try to align yourself with a group of people who are telling you we're not the same, I don't appreciate that.
 

roberto

Active Member
I was just being honest with you. Our religions are nothing alike and I don't appreciate you trying to work your way into our community. I don't mind that you're a Christian, I really don't make it my affair, but when you try to align yourself with a group of people who are telling you we're not the same, I don't appreciate that.

Your calling me a Christian is as offensive as me calling you a wannabe Jew.
So , either place me on you ignore list or have me removed by your rabbi.
You should go study your Talmud and stop wasting my time with your feelings.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Your calling me a Christian is as offensive as me calling you a wannabe Jew.
So , either place me on you ignore list or have me removed by your rabbi.
You should go study your Talmud and stop wasting my time with your feelings.
As what do you identify? If you accept the NT as scripture, in my culture that makes you a Christian.
 

roberto

Active Member
I asked you a respectful question. I want to know what your beliefs are.

And by the way, you know the Hebrew Calendar is worked out using the Talmud, right?

".....I asked you a respectful question. I want to know what your beliefs are...."

So then respectfully read my Signature.

"....And by the way, you know the Hebrew Calendar is worked out using the Talmud, right?..."

So, how did David know that:

1Sa 20:5 David said to Jonathan, “Behold, tomorrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to dine with the king; but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field to the third day at evening.

Did David read the Talmud?

"..It was compiled in the 4th century in Galilee. The Babylonian Talmud was compiled about the year 500, although it continued to be edited later. The word "Talmud", when used without qualification, usually refers to the Babylonian Talmud...>> Talmud - Wikipedia..... "
 
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Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
".....I asked you a respectful question. I want to know what your beliefs are...."

Respectfully read my Signature.

"....And by the way, you know the Hebrew Calendar is worked out using the Talmud, right?..."

So, how did David know that:

1Sa 20:5 David said to Jonathan, “Behold, tomorrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to dine with the king; but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field to the third day at evening.

Did David read the Talmud?
David knew it because at that point it was an Oral Law; the Priests kept track of these things and passed them down orally from one generation to another. This knowledge was then later codified. The idea behind a Torah based society isn't one of a person living alone; the Torah envisions a communal life, otherwise, as you rightly point out, how would anyone know when to do x y and z? They need teachers, priests, judges and so on for that.
 

roberto

Active Member
David knew it because at that point it was an Oral Law; the Priests kept track of these things and passed them down orally from one generation to another. This knowledge was then later codified. The idea behind a Torah based society isn't one of a person living alone; the Torah envisions a communal life, otherwise, as you rightly point out, how would anyone know when to do x y and z? They need teachers, priests, judges and so on for that.

David was hiding from the King.

No ways he was going to search for a Priest to tell him that "tomorrow" is the New Moon.

And as you know the moon is not visible until it is declared/sighted as a sliver on more or less the 3rd day after conjunction.

So, respectfully I say you should go speak to your rabbi about this.
 
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