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Leviticus 23 Holy days
- Thread starter roberto
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You said you were "like" the erev-rav/mixed multitude. To my understanding, that means you're not a descendant of the mixed-multitude. So what are you?Are you guys familiar with the exodus out of Egypt ?
Do you study Torah or just the Talmud ?
What is UN-familiar with the verse that I supplied ? ..>> Exo 12:38 A mixed multitude went up also with them, with flocks, herds, and even very much livestock.
Jer 16:14 Therefore behold, the days come, says the LORD, that it shall no more be said, As the LORD lives, who brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 16:15 but, As the LORD lives, who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the countries where he had driven them. I will bring them again into their land that I gave to their fathers.
Isa 11:12 He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 35:8 A highway will be there, a road,
and it will be called The Holy Way.
The unclean shall not pass over it,
but it will be for those who walk in the Way.
Wicked fools will not go there.
Jer 29:14 I will be found by you, says the LORD, and I will turn again your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places where I have driven you, says the LORD; and I will bring you again to the place from where I caused you to be carried away captive.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a darling child? for as often as I speak against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him, says the LORD.
Jer 31:21 Set up road signs, make guideposts; set your heart toward the highway, even the way by which you went: turn again, virgin of Israel, turn again to these your cities.
The prophets speak of the lost ten tribes returning to Israel in the Messianic Era.
So, and when this happens (in the messianic era), we will join these tribes in the second exodus turning back to Zion.
But you just said those mixed multitudes who came out of Egypt joined the Israelites. They would also have accepted Torah upon themselves at Sinai. At this point they are no different to the Jews today or have become one of the lost. Where does this cryptic other group of yours fit?
oy vey !
of mixed blood. a goy from the nations, a ger. or ger-toshav or whatever you called the slaves and egyptians that left egypt with the tribes.
Everyone who left Egypt accepted upon themselves the Torah at Sinai. Those mixed multitudes were others who joined themselves to the Israelites whilst still in Egypt. At Sinai, all became obligated in Torah.
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Ger-toshav is a special status for certain gentiles living in the land of Israel. Do you live in Israel?
And the mixed multitude, to my knowledge, mixed in with Israel (though a lot died in the desert). Mixed with Israel means the became Israelites, what we call today Jews.
So what are you?
Yes what "we" call Jews.
"....And the mixed multitude, to my knowledge, mixed in with Israel (though a lot died in the desert). Mixed with Israel means the became Israelites..."
Yes, Yes ! you got it.
You can call me an eunuch if you want to I will appreciate you doing so.
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Let's suggest that this were true. I don't believe for one second it is, but let's say it were true that today's Jews are fakes.Yes what "we" call Jews.
What bearing has that on how you, or anyone else, knows they're the 'true' Israelites, or whatever they choose to call themselves?
Which means you're not Jewish unless your mom is. Hurrah!
So... Not Jewish but yes Israelite... Black Hebrew Israelites?
You should not read crap into what I say. (do not twist my words to suit your feelings)
Alright, maybe I mistook you, but this sounds like the argument you are making. If not, please be clearer. I can't understand what you are trying to say, as you agree that the mixed ones became Israelites; that would make them Jews or within the lost tribes, but you claim some difference. We want to know what that difference is and how it affects your religion.
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Why not just tell us?