LGBTQ

[Argentbear]

These are the 4 questions I asked you

*Are you aware trans women were legally allowed in female spaces?
*If so, how do you suppose this happened?

its always been happening

*Do you think all of a sudden at once all business decided to allow this?

you haven't shown it is something new happening "all of a sudden"

Or do you suppose there was some type of legislation passed causing them to do this.

There has been no legislation

*If you believe this was caused by legislation, what legislation do you suppose caused this?

its always been going on


at this point don't bother with even attempting to provide evidnece for your claim, it's obvious you don't have an and are just no honest enough to admit that.

 

[Kfox]

I did.
You want some allowed, & some not.
How would it be achieved?

We have never vetted people going into locker rooms when the separation was based on gender, so we won't need to vet if we base it on biology.

 

[Kfox]

I'm calling bull pucky. This has never happened to you because trans people do not identify with their birth gender and go out of their way to avoid such.

I never said these people were trans, I said they looked like women to me and when I said this was the men's room, they said they were men so I took their word for it.

 

[Viker]

So gender does not exist?

It exists and it's always fluctuating. It changes over time and from culture to culture. In Africa, the Bugis society recognizes five genders: makkunrai, oroané, bissu, calabai, and calalai. Bissu is a gender that embodies both masculinity and femininity, and is thought to bridge the divine and the worldly

 

[Kfox]

in 2023 Rebecca Philips age 17 spoke to the San Diego City Council about how she had been traumatized by being exposed to a transgendered person showering and changing in the locker room of the YMCA. She went on at length at how the person's male genitals got "shoved in her face" and how she had to run from the locker room. It was a horrible experience for her...except the trans woman in question 66 year old Christine Wood hasn't had male genitals for for almost 20 years having gone through gender affirming surgery.

and that is how what you ask happens

This rant has nothing to do with the question at hand. Again; the question is, how does a naked biological female with sex organs in tact drying off in the female locker room not pass the glance test?

 

[Revoltingest]

We have never vetted people going into locker rooms when the separation was based on gender, so we won't need to vet if we base it on biology.

How is "biology" to be determined upon entry?

 

[Eliana]

People, stop engaging him and repeating the same questions. He's not a good faith actor and you're not going to change anything,

 

[Kfox]

its always been happening

But it was not legal. Now it became legal. Are you aware it became legal?

you haven't shown it is something new happening "all of a sudden"

There has been no legislation

Here is a link of it happening in my city
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/4674hz Man caught undressing in front of girls at Green Lake locker room

 

[Kfox]

How is "biology" to be determined upon entry?

We take their word for it; the same way we always have.

 

[Revoltingest]

We take their word for it; the same way we always have.

Does that mean something must be said?
I'd just prefer that people go about their business
without being stopped to present their papers
or swear oaths.

 

[icehorse]

Exactly. Everything after birth is mostly a social construct.

I think that amongst scientists that's a hotly researched, and debated claim

 

[icehorse]

Yes it would be very nice if you didn't start with that stuff.

I will say this again.

I do not start out slurring other posters, as you've just done here. I hope to debate ideas.

With that said, I'm often on the receiving end of a LOT of slurs on this forum and there comes a point at which I will retaliate.

But other than that you are simply wrong. I do NOT initiate slurs on other posters.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

People, stop engaging him and repeating the same questions. He's not a good faith actor and you're not going to change anything,

^ wise observation

 

[Revoltingest]

People, stop engaging him and repeating the same questions. He's not a good faith actor and you're not going to change anything,

Some of us are too compulsive to stop.

 

[Kfox]

It exists and it's always fluctuating.

if gender is something that could mean different things to different people, how can it be an effective way of describing someone ?

 

[Kfox]

How is "biology" to be determined upon entry?

Upon entry, you gotta take their word for it. But if they are caught naked in front of a locker with the wrong sex organs, they can have their membership suspended.

 

[Revoltingest]

Upon entry, you gotta take their word for it. But if they are caught naked in front of a locker with the wrong sex organs, they can have their membership suspended.

Sounds avoidable.

 

[Kfox]

Does that mean something must be said?

Yes! If somebody complains of someone with the wrong sex organs in the locker room, there are consequences. Just the fact that there are consequences will likely prevent people from committing the offense.

 

[Kfox]

People, stop engaging him and repeating the same questions. He's not a good faith actor and you're not going to change anything,

How 'bout if YOU stop engaging and leave everybody else alone!

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes! If somebody complains of someone with the wrong sex organs in the locker room, there are consequences. Just the fact that there are consequences will likely prevent people from committing the offense.

But not having to make some qualifying statement upon entry....right?
Just be sure when you challenge someone's identity that you aren't
harassing women who merely appear too butch.

Butch lesbian opens up about 'increasing harassment' she faces when using the public toilets

The Government is carrying out a consultation into the provision of public toilets for men, women and gender-diverse people

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Women are getting harassed in bathrooms because of anti-transgender hysteria

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