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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Kfox said:
Are you equating separating on the basis of sexes with the evils of racial segregation? Are these the same to you?
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Yes. It's been shown to be unnecessary in countries where everyone goes into the same restroom (usually with floor to ceiling stall coverage).
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Kfox said:
Are you aware trans women were allowed in female spaces? If so, how do you suppose this happened? Do you think all of a sudden at once all business decided to allow this? Or do you suppose there was some type of legislation passed causing them to do this. If you believe this was caused by legislation, what legislation do you suppose caused this?
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first off you said "Yet when this was passed, business began posting biological males who identify as women are allowed in female spaces."
Executive orders are not passed
the executive order applied to federal employers and contractors.
The order said nothing about "female spaces"
just where do you think trans people have been going to the bathroom for decades?
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Kfox said:
I don't know how many gyms you have been to lately, but if you are in excess of 6 foot 250 lbs, it is literally impossible for you to take a shower and dry off with the door closed. You have to step outside the shower to dry off, otherwise your towel will rub against the wet walls of the shower. If you are a biological male with male sex organs, and you are naked outside the shower with other biological females who are naked, this calls for an uncomfortable situation.
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you really think about this a lot. what does that say about you?
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Kfox said:
Are you equating separating on the basis of sexes with the evils of racial segregation? Are these the same to you?
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One of the main objections southern whites had to ending segregation was the concern that black men woudl have easy access to women's rest rooms and and use that access to sexually assault white women and girls. Sounds exactly like what you are saying here
 
K

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Yes. It's been shown to be unnecessary in countries where everyone goes into the same restroom (usually with floor to ceiling stall coverage).
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I really don’t have a problem with restroom facilities so long as privacy is ensured; like private stalls for urinal too, that would be an easy fix. My problem is with locker room facilities, and males playing in female sports. In my gym, when they had this going on, they built 2 booths in the locker room area so people of the opposite sex could change clothes without everybody else having to see them. I guess the fix could be to have a few dozen private booths for people to change in and have showers big enough so no matter how big you are, you can dry off with the door closed, and then have beach towels available for people too big for regular towels to cover them up, I guess that would fix the problem, but when you look at how much room this would take, and the limited amount of area for locker rooms available for most gyms, I think it would just make more sense to separate people according to their biology instead of Gender; I think this would be a fix for the sports problem also. that sounds like an easier fix to me.
 
K

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Argentbear said:
One of the main objections southern whites had to ending segregation was the concern that black men woudl have easy access to women's rest rooms and and use that access to sexually assault white women and girls. Sounds exactly like what you are saying here
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Bull! Repealing Jim Crow laws had nothing to do with allowing men into female spaces.
 
K

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Argentbear said:
first off you said "Yet when this was passed, business began posting biological males who identify as women are allowed in female spaces."
Executive orders are not passed
the executive order applied to federal employers and contractors.
The order said nothing about "female spaces"
just where do you think trans people have been going to the bathroom for decades?
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Are you gonna answer my question?
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Lots of posters here seem unable to discuss the "trans" topic without resorting to slurs and strawman arguments and such. So we'll see if we can discuss / debate this without such boring tactics...

What do the posters here mean when they talk about "trans"? Transgender? Transsexual? Transvestite? Others? All of the above? They seem very different to me.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Kfox said:
I never said you were.
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Except you are when you harp on about "men" using women's facilities. It's transphobic, but not only that your arguments make victims of cis-women who don't pass people's "feminine enough" glance, leading to harassment and bullying because those worries about "men in the womens restroom" are not targetting men but transwomen and they do with a scope and definition of what a woman is that is so narrow that many women don't pass and it reveals a lack of understanding that even ciswomen come in a large variety of shapes and sizes.
 
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