LGBTQ

[Shadow Wolf]

This shouldn't result in blaming only men.
We are all individuals.

I'm not. I'm speaking of general trends. Especially in regards to offending men, especially here, telling women what they must be protected from something that women are insisting they are ok with.
Really it's no different than saying when it comes to crime men are likely to get physically violent while women are more likely to engage in property destruction. Of course that's not always the case, and much like with average male and female heights there's a lot of overlap and variance, but those are the general trends and statistics.

See above

No, my post is especially aimed at the "usual suspects" here, who have all been male save for a few, men who are telling women they must be protected from something women are saying they don't need protection from.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not. I'm speaking of general trends.

What started this was blaming men,
but with no mention of women with
the same views.

Especially in regards to offending men, especially here, telling women what they must be protected from something that women are insisting they are ok with.
Really it's no different than saying when it comes to crime men are likely to get physically violent while women are more likely to engage in property destruction. Of course that's not always the case, and much like with average male and female heights there's a lot of overlap and variance, but those are the general trends and statistics.

No, my post is especially aimed at the "usual suspects" here, who have all been male save for a few, men who are telling women they must be protected from something women are saying they don't need protection from.

You should aim your criticism at those who
do wrong....not just 1 group, ie, men.
If statistics show that blacks commit more
crimes than whites, would you criticize
blacks solely for committing crimes? No.
You'd criticize people who commit crimes.

 

[icehorse]

and many question just how reliable her findings are
Concerns over Cass Review raised by more than 200 educational psychologists
The American Medical Association
to start with

As I said, I think this will come to be remembered as a huge, huge medical scandal. Given that, it makes sense that organizations like the ones you mentioned above will tend to dig in and double down. They have a LOT to lose when they're proven wrong.

As for your requests about the European countries whose national medical groups have backed away from WPATH's GAC, I have provided them many times in the past. Do a little legwork yourself. You're the one defending this dangerous protocol!

I linked the whole UCSD gender affirming care guidelines and asked you to identify just what policies are dangerous or harmful. You refused to even look at it.

Are these guidelines based largely on WPATH's SOC, v7 or v8? If so, the Cass report has called them to question and the WPATH files have revealed WPATH to be much more a TRA group than a medical group.

 

[icehorse]

Those things aside, you do
so much more than claimed.

like what?

 

[Kfox]

No it didn't happen, and I'm flat all calling bull pucky. I used to be a professional model and I met an unbelievable amount of LGBT people, as that industry attracts them like flies to honey.

Are you claiming all Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual people are attracted to professional models? I’m calling bull pucky on this one; my friend; you aren’t qualified to speak on behalf of all gay people.

No man, unless he is doing so on purpose, could ever pass for a woman no matter how effeminate.

I never said they effeminate.

If they could, there wouldn't be such things as facial feminization surgery. If he IS doing it on purpose, he/she wouldn't be using a men's room if they passed that well.

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true. Face it; you’re just expressing your subjective opinions, nothing you are saying is based on facts, or any type of empirical evidence.

You keep moving the goal posts and modifying your claims when someone points out their highly illogical and unlikely nature i.e. "Oh it only happened a couple of times, yeah that's it".

To say it only happened a couple of times moving the goal posts?

In addition, you are not a woman and we didn't ask you to take up the cause of our spaces.

Women haven't asked you to take up the cause of their spaces either; what's your point?

I am an Orthodox Jew and we don't allow LGBT, and even then I still couldn't care less if they use women's bathrooms or lockers. I'm not watching them and likely they aren't watching me, because most people aren't predators or perverts. In the rare and unlikely scenario that someone (gay, trans or straight) were behaving inappropriately in a locker or club they'd be reported and kicked out. Easy peasy.

It’s not all about you. Just because you might be fine with everything, doesn't mean everybody else is.

 

[icehorse]

No, you aren't. You are presenting what you have been told from biased sources. You have even beem shown links in the past showing you that you are wrong but still you repeat things that aren't true. Like how they never said bad, they said it needs more research.

You are just some random poster on the internet. I'm happy to throw in with top professionals from Europe who have much better health care systems than the US.

As for "never said bad", I have to assume you never even skimmed the Cass report?

But you be you.

 

[Kfox]

These long circular threads basically amount to a game of 'stop hitting yourself'.

If you don't believe the other poster is engaging in good faith, why are you breathing more and more oxygen into the thread? Say your piece and unwatch.

Believe it or not; some people actually like these types of conversations.

 

[Revoltingest]

like what?

Personal attacks.
I've enjoyed many of yours myself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You should aim your criticism at those who
do wrong....not just 1 group, ie, men.
If statistics show that blacks commit more
crimes than whites, would you criticize
blacks solely for committing crimes? No.
You'd criticize people who commit crimes.

I'm primarily criticizing certain male members here who insist women must be protected from something women here are saying they don't need protection from.
I don't know how more clear I can make that. "More likely" is not a blanket accusation. It reflections of the very real divide when it comes to support for trans individuals, with men being more likely to be against and women more likely to be for. That isn't saying always or even most or all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm primarily criticizing certain male members here who insist women must be protected from something women here are saying they don't need protection from.

No criticism for women who dis trans women?

I don't know how more clear I can make that.

Your clarity isn't the issue.

 

[Argentbear]

That was the case for this particular place, but that is not the case for all the other business in the State.

 

[Argentbear]

As I said, I think this will come to be remembered as a huge, huge medical scandal.

yes that is what the Cass report will b e remembered as

Given that, it makes sense that organizations like the ones you mentioned above will tend to dig in and double down. They have a LOT to lose when they're proven wrong.

yeah the AMA is shallow like that

As for your requests about the European countries whose national medical groups have backed away from WPATH's GAC, I have provided them many times in the past. Do a little legwork yourself. You're the one defending this dangerous protocol!

Countries officially following WPATH's gender affirming care guidelines:
Spain
Netherlands
Belgium
Germany
Switzerland
Portugal
Norway
Austria
Greece
Cyprus
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Hungary
No information on Poland, Belarus, Albania or Yugoslavia

 

[icehorse]

Personal attacks.
I've enjoyed many of yours myself.

If I've attacked you, it's only after repeated initial attacks from you.

 

[icehorse]

I'm primarily criticizing certain male members here who insist women must be protected from something women here are saying they don't need protection from.
I don't know how more clear I can make that. "More likely" is not a blanket accusation. It reflections of the very real divide when it comes to support for trans individuals, with men being more likely to be against and women more likely to be for. That isn't saying always or even most or all.

Posters on RF do NOT represent all women do they?

 

[Revoltingest]

If I've attacked you, it's only after repeated initial attacks from you.

I recall otherwise.

 

[icehorse]

Countries officially following WPATH's gender affirming care guidelines:

According to the article below, the following countries and agencies have strongly limited or reduced their GAC protocols, largely due to the Cass report:

Wales
Scotland
Germany
Belgium
Ireland
Netherlands
The UN's UNSRVAW
European Society of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

Further, WPATH, AAP, and ES, have been found to be using circular referencing of each other's guidelines to falsely bolster their credibility.

One Month Recap Since the Final Cass Report - Person and Identity Project

 

[icehorse]

I recall otherwise.

So your slur is baseless?

 

[icehorse]

These long circular threads basically amount to a game of 'stop hitting yourself'.

If you don't believe the other poster is engaging in good faith, why are you breathing more and more oxygen into the thread? Say your piece and unwatch.

What are you afraid of? That the GAC scandal might be exposed?

 

[Eliana]

Since when did individuals start owning a common language? Since when did people get to arbitrarily change the meanings of basic words to suit their personal agendas? And again, these terms are - in my experience - not well defined. So it's more than fair for me to ask you for definitions of these terms. And I'm not messing with you. I cannot define these terms in a way that holds up to scrutiny. Can you?

I don't give a flying you-know-what. If someone asks me to refer to them in a certain way then I do so. It's called respect, perhaps learn how to do it.

 

[icehorse]

I don't give a flying you-know-what. If someone asks me to refer to them in a certain way then I do so. It's called respect, perhaps learn how to do it.

Respect is earned, and anyone who wants to attempt to compel my speech is unlikely to earn my respect.