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Liberals are intolerant of opposing views and opinions.

Stanyon

WWMRD?
The masked anarchists that came out during the Portland weren't. They had as much negative to say about Hillary as Trump

During communist marches and protests in Europe one would and probably still do see those who call themselves anarchists march with them, it was interesting because of the three I personally witnessed you would see older members of the communist protest groups try to reign them in without much luck and shortly thereafter was the thrown bottles, flares, and other mayhem. It never ceases to amaze me the mental gymnastics some go through in order to justify, excuse, and gloss over what seems crystal clear but humans seem to have an endless capacity for self deceit, sometimes you just have to walk away and let them stew in their own juices.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
But liberals are generally for free speech (eg, political, religious) & a free press.
Yet some violently opposing these things.

Yes, that was a former attribute of liberalism. However in recent years, we can see that some liberals only support free speech that they agree with.
 
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Akivah

Well-Known Member
When a person wants tolerance how does it make sense to allow intolerance from others. Liberals choose their battles just like anyone else. If a someone is spewing hate and they get punched in the face, people don't want to hear them crying "hey your supposed to be tolerant, not me".

Interesting that you have no regard for the person that was attacked.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I do. My regard is for the left who gets verbally attacked by the right.

In your example, it was the conservative that is punched by the liberal.

Do you regard a verbal attack to be worse than a physical attack? Are physical attacks against those that you disagree with okay?
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
In your example, it was the conservative that is punched by the liberal.

Do you regard a verbal attack to be worse than a physical attack? Are physical attacks against those that you disagree with okay?

It was not my example. Someone else posted that.

Although I tend to believe in pacifism, I also believe that a bully is not going to back down unless he is taught a lesson.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Some things to point out:
In a Conservative state like Indiana, yes, Conservatives are often fiercely intolerant of anything they perceive as anti-Christian or against what they believe to be American values. You can expect to encounter at least a few that will openly display hostility towards an Atheist. Former governor Mike Pence passed a law that allows religious people to discriminate against LBGT people, and he bitterly fought against having the state issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples. Even if you support the military but also support a budget cut for them and reduced wasteful spending, be ready to clarify a hundred times you don't hate the military and aren't opposed to them, just opposed to having them in bases where we haven't had in fighting for generations now.
One of the ways Conservatives are violent is their passage of laws that are detrimental to women, immigrants, LBGT, black people, and various other minorities. They will work to make their lives difficult, hard, and reduce their quality of life as much as they possibly can until the Supreme Court steps in and says no more (this happened more than once with Pence).
Attacking the innocent is always wrong. But, in instances like Virginia, the protesters do actively and explicitly call for violence against others (and, indeed, a counter protester was killed). A counter protest to this should not be condemned, nor should we tolerate speech that actively and explicitly promotes/condones violence. These aren't Tea Parties waving signs about keeping government hands out of medicare, crude racist statements, and grammar/spelling errors here-and-there, these are people who actively support violence and discrimination against various groups, and often enough act out on those views. We don't have to or need to ban Nazi flags, and we also do not need to tolerate them, we don't want to tolerate them, and we shouldn't be crying foul against counter protesters who stand up to such hatred.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Is it like some new art form or something to constantly over generalize people and conflate various ideologies?


Right, the old "they are doing it too" argument.


One of the big reasons on opposing Trump is because he is part of the problem in a system further separating the rich from the poor and he doesn't care. Clinton actually was voting against corporate policy, Trump sends work to China.

They? Mighty broad brush your have there. That the right is fighting for the working class is the fattest lie this season..

"Lefties do not do that". I live in a blue state and we are all very tolerant of each other as far as I can tell and I find those adjectives like hillbilly and trailer trash quite offensive. "Lefties" are the ones accepting all walks of life, as if the left are all middle class, a huge portion of the left is the lower class minority.


That is also a lie, both Obama and Clinton were for lessening criminalization of all drugs. Your proof is pointing at someone elses view and debate you saw. Go figure.


With that no party is doing us any favors, certainly not Trump the warmonger. He even threatened Venezuela with military action just a few days ago.

No doubt with all that misinformation and lies your believing.

Oh well good because you kept saying they, so it seemed pretty broad.

Yeah

Oh god feminism. I didn't believe they had a real issue, but Trump changed that for me. Misogyny is a huge problem.

Yup I bet, the liberals will destroy the country with there do gooder attitudes and unfiltered optimism for the future.

I think more that our political perceptions are influenced by archaic tribalism not allowing opposing views to come to an agreement. Like you said both think they are right and neither wants to budge. It reminds me of the local football craze where the best high school football team happens to be the their son or daughter goes to, the problem is when people take all that too seriously. The current major political parties give us false dichotomies to choose from not leaving much room for compromise.

Please stop assuming that my criticisms of liberals constitute support of the right. Until you can drop that particular pose, I don't see how I can respond to anything you say.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Please stop assuming that my criticisms of liberals constitute support of the right. Until you can drop that particular pose, I don't see how I can respond to anything you say.
Your the one painting with the broad brush with nothing to back it up. That's not a right or left thing that's a pretty common fallacy in debate, I addressed each of your opinions separately without bias. Try some fact checking before accusing liberals or Obama or Clinton of anything with such broad strokes.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I merely call it as I see it.
Right, that is my point. Your perspective and anecdotes don't mean much of anything outside of your own experiences. It is fun to dress up and play judge and jury, but until you forfeit the idea of "one size fits all" in regards to political labels, your manifestos will fall flat in my opinion.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't see much tolerance in liberalism at all made towards people who hold opposing opinions and criticisms.
There are liberals and then there are "liberals", if one knows what I mean. Same can be said of conservatives.

What I see happening at Berkeley, which used to be a bastion for free-speech, is appalling to me, for example.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What I see happening at Berkeley, which used to be a bastion for free-speech, is appalling to me, for example.
But, it definitely adds weight when I say "not all colleges are like Berkeley." It is sad it has become opposed to free speech and open discussion, but yet at the same time it does need emphasized that so many of these controversies do come from Berkeley, and not the majority of colleges and universities throughout America.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yes, that was a former attribute of liberalism. However in recent years, we can see that liberals only support free speech that they agree with.
That's my impression as well. I see it all the time. I just don't see liberals practicing what they preach to the larger extent. Mind you I am quoting l liberals in general terms, referring to the movement itself, not directing towardsanyone in particular just to remain clear.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I admit it! I freely block and report anyone who posts porn spam, animal abuse, advocates violence, or calls me a **** for calling them out on attempting to use the law to deny others basic human rights, especially on my own timeline. I'll also block and report stalkers.

I guess I'm just an intolerant liberal feminazi for doing so. :shrug:
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There are liberals and then there are "liberals", if one knows what I mean. Same can be said of conservatives.

What I see happening at Berkeley, which used to be a bastion for free-speech, is appalling to me, for example.
It is. Beside from Berkeley have you ever heard of Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington? Altogether different circumstances, but the theme remains the same which is practiced intolerance, by it's leftist sjw students carrying baseball bats.
 
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