Liberals' Erroneous Claim About Reopening the Economy

[metis]

Millions aren't going to die from the virus.

The CDC and NIH disagrees with you, as they estimated that without proper precautions 1-2 million Americans could die from the virus alone.

This is not like the flu, and I know this in a rather personal way as we lost a cousin, almost a sister-in-law who still is in the hospital, and two of my neighbors with one of them still fighting it after 3 weeks.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

First of all, you know nothing about my income, nor do you appear to know anything about my background with economics, so all I read with the above is nothing short of childish hyperbole.

Secondly, with charity and government assistance, no one is likely to starve here in the States. OTOH, I don't know where you live.

Again, nonsensical hyperbole.

Common sense should already have shown you that encouraging a lack of social distancing and not enough PPE can and has led to a great many deaths, and that's a "given" that you seemingly are totally unaware of. An example is the slowness of Boris Johnson in the UK to move to a stay-at-home mode, thus causing the death rate there to skyrocket. And that same slowness happened here in the States, according to the experts who warned us that we were not taken the appropriate actions soon enough, and this undoubtedly cost us thousands of lives.

IOW, maybe listen to the medical experts, especially the virologists, not your favorite right-wing politicians and their media lackeys.

Sweden hasn't locked down at all and hasn't seen nearly the catasrophic numbers of cases and deaths that Italy and Spain (countries that have been under lockdown for over a month) have seen. There is no evidence that the lockdowns are even working.

And these so-called "medical experts" kill 250,000-440,000 people per year due to giving incorrect dosages and making other mistakes because they can't perform simple arithmetic. Why should I trust anything those incompetent idiots have to say?

 

[metis]

Sweden hasn't locked down at all and hasn't seen nearly the catasrophic numbers of cases and deaths that Italy and Spain (countries that have been under lockdown for over a month) have seen.

Maybe do some more homework on that because their death rate just jumped 7 times the rate of the other Scandinavian countries.

What Sweden is going for is called "herd immunity", and no one really knows how this will play out in the long run, and I am a concerned since I have many relatives there. But one thing going for them is that they have a very good medical system that has been better equipped to handle this than most countries. IOW, I wish we had here what my relatives over there have.

We have already seen how overloaded our medical system has been, and yet you want to "loosen up" now?! That would be completely disastrous and totally irresponsible as our system is far from recovering.

There is no evidence that the lockdowns are even working.

Absolutely false, and even Trump acknowledged that!

And these so-called "medical experts" kill 250,000-440,000 people per year due to giving incorrect dosages and making other mistakes because they can't perform simple arithmetic. Why should I trust anything those incompetent idiots have to say?

Oh, if but they were only so bright as you are, right?

Yes, sometimes doctors make mistakes, and I know as I was affected by one of them going back over 40 years ago that almost killed me. But isn't it even just common sense for us to get medical advice from those who deal with that subject? Should you go to get a root canal from someone like Trump, for example?

Nah, as for me I'll go with the likes of Fauci and Birx for medical advice.

 

[Salvador]

sure if you're willing to die to open your economy, at least you'll be free when you die, me, I'll be sheltering at home.

My wife and I are Covid anti-bodied, the person who infected me has been released out of the hospital, I've been totally Covid-19 asymptomatic, and my wife only became mildly ill by being Covid-19 infected; not everybody who gets Covid-19 infected will die or even get really sick. I'm not scared of this China corona virus, I'd like others to also become unafraid in order to service our needs.

 

[Salvador]

Sweden hasn't locked down at all and hasn't seen nearly the catasrophic numbers of cases and deaths that Italy and Spain (countries that have been under lockdown for over a month) have seen. There is no evidence that the lockdowns are even working.

And these so-called "medical experts" kill 250,000-440,000 people per year due to giving incorrect dosages and making other mistakes because they can't perform simple arithmetic. Why should I trust anything those incompetent idiots have to say?

My distant Swedish relatives have rightfully followed the Herd-immunity approach towards handling Covid-19. I just wish we Americans were as intelligent and brave as my distant Swedish relatives. If Covid-19 is merely just a few times more deadly than influenza, as anti-body tests suggest; then the Herd immunity approach towards handling Covid-19 would only result in less than 200,000 Americans being killed by this China corona virus.

I'd consider less than a quarter of a million American lives prone to being sickly anyways worth the price of getting our economy back on track where we can once again make solid returns on our investment portfolios.

 

[Salvador]

Thats the kind of philosophy that will kill my 82 yr old father

Your father is the same age as my father, Mine has lived a good productive life, regardless of Covid 19, he's now well past the peak of his life. I'm sure he'd be happy to leave this Covid-19 ravaged world in order to make way for future generations of stronger, healthier and more vibrant human lives.

 

[PureX]

My friend "Sam", who has a lot of money invested in the stock market, and is understandably very concerned about losing his fortune, wants businesses to open back up as soon as possible. And although he doesn't WANT anyone to die, he is quite willing to accept a significant death toll to protect his fortune. And that's just the truth.

My friend "Jim" is currently laid off from his job, and because he was living paycheck to paycheck before he was laid off, he cannot survive, economically, on what this country s currently doing to help he and his family survive. So although he doesn't WANT anyone to die, he is quite willing to accept a significant death toll get a paycheck coming in. And that's just the truth.

The real truth is that here in the U.S., and in many parts of the world, money has become more important than human well-being, and even human life, itself. This is as true for those just trying to make enough money to survive as it is for those who have amassed fortunes and can't bear to part with any of it. The problem is not that rich people are greedy. It's that the effects of their greed has caused everyone else to become as selfish and self-centered as they are, just to protect themselves.

 

[Salvador]

My friend "Sam", who has a lot of money invested in the stock market, and is understandably very concerned about losing his fortune, wants businesses to open back up as soon as possible. And although he doesn't WANT anyone to die, he is quite willing to accept a significant death toll to protect his fortune. And that's just the truth.

My friend "Jim" is currently laid off from his job, and because he was living paycheck to paycheck before he was laid off, he cannot survive, economically, on what this country currently doing to help he and his family survive. So although he doesn't WANT anyone to die, he is quite willing to accept a significant death toll get a paycheck coming in. And that's just the truth.

The truth is that here in the U.S., and in many parts of the world, money has become more important than human well-being, and even human life. This is as true for those just trying to make enough money to survive as it is for those who have amassed fortunes and can't bear to part with any of it. The problem is not that rich people are greedy. It's that their greed has caused everyone else to become just as selfish and self-centered as they are, to protect themselves in the face of that greed.

Of course, there doesn't have to be so-called "significant death" in order to get our economy reopened. This China corona virus is already widespread, as early anti-body tests suggest. SARs-Cov-2 death rate might only be a few times greater than influenza, which means a herd-immunity approach towards Covid-19 would only result in the loss of far less than a quarter-million American lives of whom are mostly prone to being sick anways.

 

[MNoBody]

we all know how that scenario ended ....hmmmm...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The fact that you don't realize that many people WILL die

People are already dying because domestic violence related homicides have spiked, along with sales of alcohol. There's probably already been suicides because people with mental illnesses can't access the services they rely on (therapy, support groups, etc.). This is not a good situation. Obviously this lockdown can't go on for much longer. We're going to have to figure out a way to get things going again while looking out for our health.

 

[PureX]

Of course, there doesn't have to be so-called "significant death" in order to get our economy reopened. This China corona virus is already widespread, as early anti-body tests suggest. SARs-Cov-2 death rate might only be a few times greater than influenza, which means a herd-immunity approach towards Covid-19 would only result in the loss of far less than a quarter-million American lives of whom are mostly prone to being sick anways.

No one knows how many people will die as a result of resuming business as usual. Which is why we shouldn't do it until we have adequate means of testing so that we will know right away if the virus spreads, again, and can take action to stop it, quickly.

 

[Salvador]

we all know how that scenario ended ....hmmmm...
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If it were up to Florida's Republican governor Ron Desantis, who has re-opened Florida beaches, there'd now be lots of Floridians eating cake by the ocean.

Trump sings cake by the ocean

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thats the kind of philosophy that will kill my 82 yr old father

Is your father out running around in the streets and having a lot of visitors over? No? Then why bring this up to try and guilt trip people?

 

[Cooky]

I heard banks no longer pay interest on savings accounts... Which means, the banks are low on money... Which means who knows what.

 

[Salvador]

No one knows how many people will die as a result of resuming business as usual. Which is why we shouldn't do it until we have adequate means of testing so that we will know right away if the virus spreads, again, and can take action to stop it, quickly.

We can't afford keeping the economy shutdown until there's enough testing for contact tracing and targeted quarantining. Anti-body testing will tell us how prevalent and truly survivable is being infected by Covid-19; early anti-body testing data suggests this China corona virus disease is far more widely spread and less deadly than had been earlier suspected by scientific consensus.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Your father is the same age as my father, Mine has lived a good productive life, regardless of Covid 19, he's now well past the peak of his life. I'm sure he'd be happy to leave this Covid-19 ravaged world in order to make way for future generations of stronger, healthier and more vibrant human lives.

Okay, that was just stupid and heartless. You need to learn when to be quiet.

 

[MNoBody]

I heard banks no longer pay interest on savings accounts... Which means, the banks are low on money... Which means who knows what.

they could just start taking their clients accounts and using them to pay their debts.... they have done it before, and people have been legitimately worried about this happening again for some time

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

they could just start taking their clients accounts and using them to pay their debts.... they have done it before, and people have been legitimately worried about this happening again for some time

Makes me glad I no longer have a bank account.

 

[Salvador]

Makes me glad I no longer have a bank account.

Me too, however we do have individual retire accounts, day trading accounts, or investment portfolios to consider here.

 

[Salvador]

People are already dying because domestic violence related homicides have spiked, along with sales of alcohol. There's probably already been suicides because people with mental illnesses can't access the services they rely on (therapy, support groups, etc.). This is not a good situation. Obviously this lockdown can't go on for much longer. We're going to have to figure out a way to get things going again while looking out for our health.

That's so true, I'm getting bored and out of my wits as well as suffering from anxiety due to this long-term massive quarantining. I want to go back to my daily routine I had before being virtually put under house arrest.