Liberals Who Own Guns.

[dust1n]

I didn't say I find it strange that the right to bear arms = liberty. It's literally a liberty and access to do something. What liberty actually results from gun ownership in and of itself? Anyone here personally gained more liberty from owning a gun?

 

[Father Heathen]

I always thought it strange that gun ownage = liberty in the minds of sum.

You don't understand how the freedom to defend oneself is a freedom?

Edit: Oh, just read the post above.

 

[Father Heathen]

I didn't say I find it strange that the right to bear arms = liberty. It's literally a liberty and access to do something. What liberty actually results from gun ownership in and of itself? Anyone here personally gained more liberty from owning a gun?

The idea is that it empowers the populous, giving them leverage against the government if need be. Ironically and unfortunately, the majority of people who believe that tend to support the political leaders who are the biggest threats to our freedom.

 

[Revoltingest]

The idea is that it empowers the populous, giving them leverage against the government if need be. Ironically and unfortunately, the majority of people who believe that tend to support the political leaders who are the biggest threats to our freedom.

I don't buy it. In fact, I find the opposite to be true. Those who would take away a constitutional
liberty are quicker to allow gov't to seize greater power to ax up other 'inconvenient' liberties.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The idea is that it empowers the populous, giving them leverage against the government if need be. Ironically and unfortunately, the majority of people who believe that tend to support the political leaders who are the biggest threats to our freedom.

That's the idea, but I think that in reality, they act as a coddle while other important freedoms are taken away: "I've still got my guns, so I must be free."

 

[Nashitheki]

No more enthusiastic about my rifles than my fishing rods or paint brushes. I don't look at them as big boy toys that kill. There are some who go on about a massed produced Glock pistol as if it was an heirloom piece or a lover.

If it came down to killing, I'd rather have it up close and personal with knives or tomahawks as to see the look in my adversary's eyes. These days however, weaponry has to be matched.

 

[Revoltingest]

No more enthusiastic about my rifles than my fishing rods or paint brushes. I don't look at them as big boy toys that kill. There are some who go on about a massed produced Glock pistol as if it was an heirloom piece or a lover.

Were you an engineer familiar with the design & the history of Glock's entry into this market, you might find it a thing of beauty too.
One reason I carry a Glock is that I find it a most elegant piece of industrial design. Tis a beauty lost on most.
(But of course, the main reason is that how a Glock functions suits my needs better than others.)

If it came down to killing, I'd rather have it up close and personal with knives or tomahawks as to see the look in my adversary's eyes. These days however, weaponry has to be matched.

Geeze....sounds like you relish killing your fellow humans! (Especially rednecks, I bet.)
I imagine that when knives & tomahawks came into use, old codgers would carp about how you young
whippersnappers don't use the nobler traditional weapons like rocks & sticks to bash your foes' heads in.
As things change, nothing changes.

 

[Nashitheki]

I do not relish killing any living creature, but know how to use different weapons. Pistols have no use other than collecting, target practice and killing. If that was the case, I'd depend upon my old 44 revolver.

Oh, and I'm no young whippersnapper either.

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[Kathryn]

I didn't say I find it strange that the right to bear arms = liberty. It's literally a liberty and access to do something. What liberty actually results from gun ownership in and of itself? Anyone here personally gained more liberty from owning a gun?

Yes. I have used my personal firearm to defend myself - my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness - from a group of men who were threatening those rights.

They left when they realized I had a gun and would shoot them if necessary - and I got to keep my life and liberty and my ability to pursue happiness.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do not relish killing any living creature, but know how to use different weapons.

You stated a preference for up close & personal killing, rather than shooting at a distance.
What is the desire to look in your foe's eye as you kill them with edged weapons all about?

Oh, and I'm no young whippersnapper either.

We're all whippersnappers to those who came before us & have earlier traditions.
(Plus, I thought it would be fun to call you a youngster!)

 

[Nashitheki]

You stated a preference for up close & personal killing, rather than shooting at a distance.
What is the desire to look in your foe's eye as you kill them with edged weapons all about?

Guns allow some a sense of courage at a safe distance.

If it came to such, could you fight without your guns ?

 

[Revoltingest]

Guns allow some a sense of courage at a safe distance.

I am a coward, & would rather run away.
But if I'm to fight, I want to win quickly & with minimum risk.
To prefer a fair fight to the death makes no sense to me.
It suggests that killing humans is a sport.
We cowards just want to survive "at a safe distance".

If it came to such, could you fight without your guns ?

One uses what is at hand.
This points out the importance of preserving our right to bear arms.....you never know when some madman might come at you with a tomahawk.

 

[Nashitheki]

I am a coward, & would rather run away.
But if I'm to fight, I want to win quickly & with minimum risk.
To prefer a fair fight to the death makes no sense to me.
It suggests that killing humans is a sport.
We cowards just want to survive "at a safe distance".

One uses what is at hand.
This points out the importance of preserving our right to bear arms.....you never know when some madman might come at you with a tomahawk.

No, sending young soldiers out to fight the fat kat's oil wars bespeaks of killing humans for sport. Liken to some board game played by devils.

If someone comes at me with a tomahawk it is in my hopes of survival that he is indeed mad. Mad enough to render him not as careful as he should be.

Tell me Revoltingest, have you ever been hunting, or do you just shoot at targets and bottles ?

 

[Revoltingest]

No, sending young soldiers out to fight the fat kat's oil wars bespeaks of killing humans for sport. Liken to some board game played by devils.

That seems just too glib to me. The wars (which I opposed) were
about far more than oil, eg, religion vs religion, retribution for 9/11.
It also deflects from the point of my post.

If someone comes at me with a tomahawk it is in my hopes of survival that he is indeed mad. Mad enough to render him not as careful as he should be.

So what?
This doesn't address my suspicion that you treat killing somewhat as sport by making it up close & personal.
You haven't addressed your reasons for this yet.

Tell me Revoltingest, have you ever been hunting, or do you just shoot at targets and bottles ?

I don't hunt.
I shoot only at targets at ranges where the lead pollution is managed.
You see, I'm one of those enviro wackos.

 

[Nashitheki]

Always a good companion in the wilds. Never a good situation when so wielded by a madman. Although I did not forge it's blade, A Blacksmith friend made it from my own design.

 

[Revoltingest]

And a fine looking tool it is!
I prefer a machete when whacking bush.
Most sold are junk, & the rest need customizing to work well.

 

[Kathryn]

I prefer this myself:

 

[Revoltingest]

That is a good choice for concealment. 380 ACP (aka 9mm kurz) is an effective round with the best ammo, eg, Glazer Blue.
My pocket gun is a "dehorned" Colt Mustang Pocketlite (carried chamber empty, so I don't use the safety).
Holster by Kramer (to properly orient it in the pocket).

 

[Nashitheki]

I don't hunt.
I shoot only at targets at ranges where the lead pollution is managed.
You see, I'm one of those enviro wackos.

Having a taste for venison and a need for hide and antler, I have hunted. Mostly I use a blackpowder rifle or my old Browning Nomad bow. If you were to read into my writings, you would see that I'm an environmentalist as well, more so than say Ted Nugent, an idiot whom my crippled cousin could probably hunt circles around.

If it comes down to fighting a human, I'd rather it to be up close and hand to hand, but that doesn't imply it is looked upon by me as sport. Now if a head, scalp or any other body part is taken after the fact, now that is a different story.

Counting coup without killing an enemy allows a greater honor.

 

[Revoltingest]

Having a taste for venison and a need for hide and antler, I have hunted. Mostly I use a blackpowder rifle or my old Browning Nomad bow. If you were to read into my writings, you would see that I'm an environmentalist as well, more so than say Ted Nugent, an idiot whom my crippled cousin could probably hunt circles around.

We all have our roles to play in advancing hunting, even Ted.
We don't have to be mean, cuz no matter where you go, there your are.

If it comes down to fighting a human, I'd rather it to be up close and hand to hand, but that doesn't imply it is looked upon by me as sport. Now if a head, scalp or any other body part is taken after the fact, now that is a different story.
Counting coup without killing an enemy allows a greater honor.

Meh.....to each his own, as long as yer not the aggressor.