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Life Begins at Conception

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angellous_evangellous

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So refute the declarative statements in post #745. . .if you can.
You don't need "reasons for why I hold my position."

And here's how to refute those statements:
1) show from the sources of those declarative statements--nature, and Rom 1:18-32, that those declarative statements are incorrect, and/or

2) show that the conclusions drawn from those declarative statements are incorrect.

In the absence of that, my presentation of where the Bible stands on human life beginning at conception is without refutation.

Once again, a declarative statement is not an argument.

You haven't even established a contact between your declarations (they would be premises if they were proven) and your "conclusions."

There is some imaginary substance to connect your declarative statements and conclusion - they are logical fallacies.
 

smokydot

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Once again, a declarative statement is not an argument.

You haven't even established a contact between your declarations (they would be premises if they were proven) and your "conclusions."

There is some imaginary substance to connect your declarative statements and conclusion - they are logical fallacies.

Translate: I can't refute it.

Once again, all refutation of post #745 requires is demonstration from their sources--nature and Rom 1:18-32, that the declarations are incorrect.
Absent that refutation, the statements stand as accurate representation of their sources--nature and Rom 1:18-32;

and/or

all refutation requires is demonstration that the conclusions, drawn from the accurate (because unrefuted) representations of their sources, are incorrect.
Absent that refutation, the conclusions drawn from the accurate representations are correct.

In the absence of refutation, my post #745 on the Biblical approach to human life beginning at conception is unrefuted.
The Bible is the given parameter of this thread, and its approach to conception and human life is what is to be shown.
And my presentation of the Biblical approach to that issue is yet to be refuted.

The "imaginary substance," which "connects" the declarative statements to the conclusions, is obvious to the intellectually honest; i.e.,
It is the same "imaginary substance" which "connected" the NT's conclusion regarding the pagans' divine condemnation
to the pagans' non-acceptance of the eternal, divine, righteous God of the universe.
That "connective" "imaginary substance" is the divine authority of the natural revelation in creation.
 
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smokydot

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There's nothing to refute!:eek:

Translate: It's irrefutable. :eek:

So in post #745 (fuller #724), I have successfully demonstrated the Biblical approach to conception and human life.
I have successfully answered the question of the thread: "What is the Biblical basis for life beginning at conception?"

Thanks. :bow:
 
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smokydot

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Same difference.

Well, actually it's not.
"Worship" freely usually applies to church and its worship services.
"Exercise" freely applies to places outside church, to activities not connected with worship, to the voting booth, etc.

Private property rights trump First Amendment Rights, and many others for that matter.

They are not in conflict with one another, there is no "trumping."
 

McBell

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There's nothing to refute!:eek:
Are you still arguing with him?
I just went ahead and put his ignorance arse on ignore.
You would be surprised at how much the quality of the thread has improved for it.

Besides, his preaching was getting old and I can only take so much bull **** before I risk getting banned for really speaking my mind.
 

Sententia

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I am not saying it is up to me. It has always been the prerogative of the State.

If an abortion is needed it should be decided by the mother, preferably with council from her doctor. I am not sure why the state would be involved? They were and some still want to be but why? (Prior to Roe vs Wade)

Do others feel they are more equipped to decide then the mother and her doctor?
 

smokydot

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Are you still arguing with him?

Not any more. . .my presentation of the Biblical approach to human life and conception (post #745, more fully in post #724) is irrefutable.

I just went ahead and put his ignorance arse on ignore.
You would be surprised at how much the quality of the thread has improved for it.

Denial is so easy. Demonstration is better.

Besides, his preaching was getting old and I can only take so much bull **** before I risk getting banned for really speaking my mind.

The real ************ on this thread is from those who don't understand the Bible.

Remember, the thread is about the Bible--"The Biblical basis for life beginning at conception."

I suspect you experience any exposition of a question on the Bible to be preaching.

Perhaps you know a another way than using the Bible to answer questions regarding the content of the Bible.
 
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smokydot

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If an abortion is needed it should be decided by the mother, preferably with council from her doctor. I am not sure why the state would be involved? They were and some still want to be but why? (Prior to Roe vs Wade)

Do others feel they are more equipped to decide then the mother and her doctor?

Abortions (the arresting of life) are not medically "needed," they are for purposes other than medical; i.e., the baby is not wanted.

The involvement of the State would look like this.
It is the responsiblity of the State to protect human life, hence laws against homicide, murder, etc., with serious penalties attached for violation.
Therefore, parents do not have the right to kill their children, no matter how young they are, even only a few hours old.

Consider the 8 1/2-month baby in the mothers womb, which should be the safest place in the universe.
At present, she is allowed to kill her helpless baby. . .but she is not allowed to kill her same helpless baby when it is only 15 days older (assuming birth at 9 months).
She is even allowed to kill her helpless baby during birth, by stabbing it in the back of the head when the head emerges from the womb (partial-birth abortion).

Should the State protect the life of her 8 1/2 month-old baby in her womb, as it protects its life a few days later?
That's how, and why, the State would be involved.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Abortions (the arresting of life) are not medically "needed," they are for purposes other than medical; i.e., the baby is not wanted.

So what is it called when a pregnancy is terminated to save the life of the mother? Surely you know that there are several instances where abortion is performed to preserve a woman's health. Often in these cases, the fetus will die anyway. It's called "therapeutic abortion" if you care to look it up.[/quote]

The involvement of the State would look like this.
It is the responsiblity of the State to protect human life, hence laws against homicide, murder, etc., with serious penalties attached for violation.
Therefore, parents do not have the right to kill their children, no matter how young they are, even only a few hours old.

They kinda do. The abandonment of newborns is a crime that is rarely investigated or prosecuted.

Consider the 8 1/2-month baby in the mothers womb, which should be the safest place in the universe.
At present, she is allowed to kill her helpless baby. . .but she is not allowed to kill her same helpless baby when it is only 15 days older (assuming birth at 9 months).
She is even allowed to kill her helpless baby during birth, by stabbing it in the back of the head when the head emerges from the womb (partial-birth abortion).

This is just lazy. Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Should the State protect the life of her 8 1/2 month-old baby in her womb, as it protects its life a few days later?
That's how, and why, the State would be involved.

It does. And almost no doctor would do such a thing unless the mother and fetus were in serious jepordy.
 
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smokydot

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So what is it called when a pregnancy is terminated to save the life of the mother? Surely you know that there are several instances where abortion is performed to preserve a woman's health. Often in these cases, the fetus will die anyway. It's called "theraputic abortion" if you care to look it up.

Please give an example when an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother.

They kinda do. The abandonment of newborns is a crime that is rarely investigated or prosecuted.

Abandoned babies rarely die, they are usually found.
Rare prosecution does not mean the law allows death by abandonment.


It took a heck of a fight to make that obvious atrocity an illegal act.
And it still takes a heck of a fight to keep it off the books.

It does. And almost no doctor would do such a thing unless the mother and fetus were in serious jepordy.

Please give an example of this serious jeopardy.
 

smokydot

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I already posted this...

Thanks.

An ectopic pregnancy is not arrest of life in the womb.
Natural abortions are neither immoral nor illegal.

My discussion regards life in the womb, not outside it in a petri dish or anywhere else.
That would be a different discussion.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Thanks.

An ectopic pregnancy is not arrest of life in the womb.
Natural abortions are neither immoral nor illegal.

My discussion regards life in the womb, not outside it in a petri dish or anywhere else.
That would be a different discussion.

Did you even read the article?

A human being can be born naturally outside of thte womb. Were these babies not concieved? Does your "law of seeds" argument not apply here?

note: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/671390.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4197194.stm
 
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