Subduction Zone
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You are right. Sorry about that. But you did seem to support that poorly reasoned post.
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Life From Dirt?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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Life comes from God's spirit - Psalm 104:30; Psalm 33:6
Adam was formed/ fashioned from dirt, but Adam did Not come to life until 'after' God breathed the 'breath of life' into life-less Adam- Gen. 2:7
If I have it right: DNA/ RNA/ Protein components show that life can't spring from non-living matter.
Even in a science lab, who represents the scientist or lab tech in using what they use, or in trying to use.
Sinning life (sinner Adam for example) goes back returning to dirt - Gen. 3:19
We as sinners return to dust, but the 'return of life ' does Not come from dust/dirt but via resurrection.
Return of Life meaning: more than the mere existence of eating and reproducing and passing away, but enjoying life forever and ever- Rev. 21:5
Subduction Zone
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Do you have any reliable evidence for that? All of the reliable evidence that I know of tells us that all of the Genesis stories are myth.
.... and Earth has its built-in water cycle. Water needed for oxygen and plants, etc. get re-cycled.
Water: What goes up must come down cycle.
When city air is cut off (highly polluted) or waste sewage removal is cut off then disease and death will come.
Whereas, when pollution stops Earth quickly bounces back to its recycling eco-system needed for life.
How would Earth or water know to recycle unless intelligence was built into it. Who built that intelligence into it __________
Subduction Zone
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Why assume that knowledge is needed? Life evolved to adapt to the cycles. No intelligence necessary.
One researcher concluded that we are all designed to look for or find built-in patterns in things: like seeing or finding patterns in the clouds.
The Bible has patterns that we can follow: For example:
Genesis shows us that God gives advance warning such as with Noah being more than an Ark builder but also a preacher.
Lot and family were forewarned Not to look back. Lot's wife disobeyed and turned herself into a salt shaker.
Babylon's fall in 539 BCE was foretold in Bible prophecy
Before Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 by the Roman armies, the forewarned Christians already left the city around the year 66.
Today we are being internationally forewarned (Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8; 1st Thess. 5:2-3) just as Jesus said.
So, to me the Bible's warning pattern is evidence that the rest will also come to pass.
The rest as in meaning: what was lost in Eden will be returned to us.
Earth will become a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden was a sample as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
No intelligence for our find-tuned universe ?
Even if one tours a control room that has hundreds of dials and labels each means something.
Move a dial or move or re-move a label and that can quickly add up to destruction.
The 'huge universe' has purposeful design. The Big Bang did Not create chaos but purposeful design.
What about our 'puny universe' aka each 'cell' with its purposeful design.
Design shows a Designer, a designer shows intelligence, intelligence shows a mind, a mind shows a person and a person shows a personality.
Survey around the Earth and it all points to a purposeful super-natural supreme mind or being.
Subduction Zone
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What "researcher"? How did he do his research? If God made the world he also made the evidence that it reveals to us. And that evidence says that people came about through evolution.
Have you ever considered that Genesis is not meant to be read literally? It is rather easy to show that there was no Garden. There was no Flood.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no evidence for it. Only bad arguments. And some of the supposed design is just apparent. For example for a while people made an argument about how gravity was finely tuned. When they were able to do the math they found that was not the case. There was only one answer. No tuning needed. You are only making an argument from ignorance, That is a logical fallacy, it is not evidence.
Heyo
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We Never Know
No Slack
Brian2
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Yes people disagree with the Bible but nobody has shown that what God said that He did is not true, or what He said that He will do either, even if you do not believe in the existence of a God or that He said anything.
I don't think liking it is the test.
Apostle John
“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Man’s imagination didn’t make God and cannot ever say how the world came into existence.
If you said this a few centuries ago many might have accepted this, but given the progress science has shown as to providing so many answers, why do you think science has suddenly stopped finding explanations and hence might not do so in the future?
Apostle John
“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Because “I think” about the future and know what’s going to happen as is described in the Bible.If you said this a few centuries ago many might have accepted this, but given the progress science has shown as to providing so many answers, why do you think science has suddenly stopped finding explanations and hence might not do so in the future?
And - you can't even countenance that you might be wrong? Move along - plenty more like you.
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101G
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Addressing the OP,
Correct, Abiogenesis vs Biogenesis.
Biogenesis means making new living things. Abiogenesis, sometimes called spontaneous generation, means life coming from non-living things.
Example, there is nothing spontaneous about plants. understand, seed are none-living, (reproducing), until activated by water, and, as said in your topic dirt/Ground is applied. water is everywhere in the universe as well as soil/dirt, or dust. now scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."
this is not spontaneous generation here, but intentional. by bring dry land into contact with water/moisture with seed already "CREATED" reproduced a "Living Thing". here called plants. so now the question comes, was the Water living, or the dry dirt living, or the seed? neither, but when brought in combination dot all produce a living thing? answer NO. the Life of all things are in the invisible, or Quantum world, which gives life in this world. now the next question, whom or what created the Quantum world, and ACTIVATED" reproduction in this world? and who is the "ACTIVATOR?". An activator is a substance or a protein that makes another substance or a gene active or reactive, induces a chemical reaction, or increases the activity of an enzyme or a gene product. so the question again, who made, allowed the substance to ACTIVATE?.... answer God.
101G
exchemist
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Well it is, actually. We all decide on what to believe based on what seems reasonable, or at least acceptable, to us. In large measure it is what we are told by trusted authorities, or in other cases what we can see for ourselves fits widely recognised facts, or in other cases again what seems intuitively right or aesthetically satisfying.
There is no absolutely incontrovertible source of knowledge, that we must accept willy-nilly, apart from directly observed facts.
Nor need anybody. The believer doesn't need it proven to believe it, and the skeptic doesn't need it disproven to not believe it.
If one is going to call separation from God a loss, he is saying that we won't like it as well.
It's too bad that you didn't feel like commenting on the material showing what actually did lead to the rise of science, and it wasn't Christianity, neither the references to classical antiquity nor to those of the Middle Ages when those ideas were recovered in the West from the Arabs.
It's already happened. The final form is in the lower left corner:
It happens in nature quite frequently. Our existence depended on supernova explosions, which seeded our nebula with heavy elements that were forged during those explosions, and also caused a compression wave to initiate star formation. Also, the Big Bang was not an explosion. It was an expansion of space, it's still occurring, and its accelerating.
There's pretty good evidence it did if by God you mean the Abrahamic god. They made a few mistakes and described a logically impossible god, not to mention one already ruled out by the evidence supporting evolution theory. The god of the Christian Bible doesn't lie or deceive. If evolution didn't occur, the only logical possibility left is a deceptive intelligent designer whose fraud was discovered with falsification of the theory.
No, they do not. Are you aware that thousands of people are devoting their professional careers to the discovering how life arose spontaneously from nonlife, and that millions of dollars are being allocated to that research? Obviously, none of those people agree with your comment.
All water need do is passively follow the laws of physics and evaporate when conditions are right, rain when conditions are right, flow through rivers when conditions are right, etc..
101G
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we tend to forget that we as creatures intelligently invent and create things. are we following a pattern that was set by God? we limited, ... create, make things. so who is to say there is someone GREATER who creates on a bigger scale. we make cars, trains, and airplanes, and we set rules on how they operate. is this intelligent design? remember, we're living in a created world, and not the "REAL" WORLD.
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