Life Without Belief

[Nakosis]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

 

[`mud]

Once again.....does one believe in angels ?

 

[Lain]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.

 

[ChristineM]

No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.

I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

I do hope and believe that i will live to see !y children fledge the nest.

 

[Orbit]

Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.

 

[Lain]

I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

Differing definition of "belief" and honestly I have no idea what this means that you just said.

 

[`mud]

I don't think Orbit believes in Angels

 

[The Hammer]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

No we can't live "without belief" because we don't directly perceive the world. And only deal with it indirectly. And that takes a certain belief that things will be as they were.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

I do hope and believe that i will live to see !y children fledge the nest.

Well, since you have solved over 2000+ years of philosophy for what knowledge is, please published your finding. You will be remembered long after your death, if you actually have solved that. I doubt it, and no, you are not lying. You are a product of nature and nurture like the rest of us.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

Well, if you can turn methodological naturalism into the philosophical version and do this objectively, https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 then you could live without beliefs.

 

[ChristineM]

Differing definition of "belief" and honestly I have no idea what this means that you just said.

It means there is evidence that am scientifically real

 

[Lain]

It means there is evidence that am scientifically real

Is measuring, weighing, and observing something how you think people come to the belief or knowledge that they themselves exist? That just seems very weird to me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It means there is evidence that am scientifically real

Please write it down and send it to a scientific stie on the Internet.

 

[Nakosis]

Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.

Belief in anything really.
Not just about God but if we accept the existence of other things, is that acceptance based on belief?
Or is the argument against the need for belief just semantics?

 

[Nakosis]

Once again.....does one believe in angels ?

One can imagine the existence of angels without believing in them.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.

So you have evidence and/or use rationality for all what you do?

 

[Nakosis]

Well, if you can turn methodological naturalism into the philosophical version and do this objectively, https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 then you could live without beliefs.

So basically one would have to do none of the following?

Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science,

Or maybe you could by accepting the truth of whatever your values happened to be as long as you didn't make any assumption that your values were shared by anyone else.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So basically one would have to do none of the following?

Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science,

Or maybe you could by accepting the truth of whatever your values happened to be as long as you didn't make any assumption that your values were shared by anyone else.

Yeah, you can avoid the supernatural, but the rest I doubt. At least there is nobody who have done it in recorded history.
For the bold, you would still have beliefs.

 

[Estro Felino]

I believe in man, first.

Dante used to write : You men were not made to live as beasts, but to pursue virtue and knowledge

Goethe used to write: May man be noble, altruistic and good.

I am a theist but I think that life would be meaningless if we did not fight to make life worth-living. That is, by pursuing perfection, goodness, altruism.

The law of the fittest, aka jungle law...is not worthy of human beings.
Human beings are not animals.

 

[Estro Felino]

No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.

I believe that atheists too believe that life has a value that transcends the mere existence.

If life were meaningless, what is the point of making children?
Children who will live a life as meaningless as their parents '?