Life Without Belief

[sun rise]

There is necessarily some level of belief for life even if they don't have a Belief. People have to believe that what they do has some meaning even a temporary one. Parents have to believe that how they treat their children matters, for example.

 

[ChristineM]

Is measuring, weighing, and observing something how you think people come to the belief or knowledge that they themselves exist? That just seems very weird to me.

I don't really care what seems real to you, it uses scientific methods to establish an accurate answer.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't really care what seems real to you, it uses scientific methods to establish an accurate answer.

You do know this? Philosophy of science - Wikipedia
Do you understand how it is axiomatic assumptions?

 

[Lain]

I don't really care what seems real to you, it uses scientific methods to establish an accurate answer.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, and honestly the answer isn't even accurate. I know for a fact that you yourself did not do that to establish the belief in your own existence. Let that be the "accurate answer."

 

[Colt]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

No, belief is correlated with our concept frames. Everyone thinks in terms of concepts attached to reality.

 

[firedragon]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

Maybe it is possible. Anything is "possible" I suppose.

 

[Nakosis]

Yeah, you can avoid the supernatural, but the rest I doubt. At least there is nobody who have done it in recorded history.
For the bold, you would still have beliefs.

What beliefs for example would I need?

As I see it, my existence doesn't require belief. My existence is a fact with or without belief.
My values don't require belief. My brain sets up whatever values I happen to feel. There is no need to believe in something I experience.

 

[Nakosis]

No, belief is correlated with our concept frames. Everyone thinks in terms of concepts attached to reality.

One's concept frames could be wrong. Maybe it would be better to go about without relying on them.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What beliefs for example would I need?

As I see it, my existence doesn't require belief. My existence is a fact with or without belief.
My values don't require belief. My brain sets up whatever values I happen to feel. There is no need to believe in something I experience.

Ahh, you use belief differently than me. Let us leave it there or we will be nitpicking the proper and correct definitions of proper, correct and definition.

 

[Nakosis]

I believe that atheists too believe that life has a value that transcends the mere existence.

If life were meaningless, what is the point of making children?
Children who will live a life as meaningless as their parents '?

My life has value to me because of what I feel. There is no need to believe it what I feel since I feel it. Feelings have value and feelings are a physiological process. There is no need to have a belief about any of this.

 

[RestlessSoul]

There is a difference between saying measurement is evidence of reality, and saying it’s the only measurement of reality. If we maintain that a thing has to be measured in order to be real, we limit our outlook considerably. Where does this leave dark matter, for example? Or particles in a superposition? If we say, in the latter case, that a particle has no existence until it is measured - and some physicists do say that - then we are lapsing into solipsism, and scientists tend not to like solipsisms.

A paradox, then. Though in truth, we believe all sorts of things we can’t see, touch, or weigh; love, for instance. And abstract concepts such as perfection, wonder, truth…

 

[Nakosis]

Ahh, you use belief differently than me. Let us leave it there or we will be nitpicking the proper and correct definitions of proper, correct and definition.

Ok, what is your definition of belief?

 

[ChristineM]

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, and honestly the answer isn't even accurate. I know for a fact that you yourself did not do that to establish the belief in your own existence. Let that be the "accurate answer."

What you said was.

That just seems very weird to me.

And yes, my answer is accurate, sorry you don't like it

 

[Link]

No, without belief in God and his perfect judgment, it's impossible to love people and value them accurately.

 

[Lain]

my answer is accurate

So you believe.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

NO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

 

[firedragon]

What beliefs for example would I need?

As I see it, my existence doesn't require belief. My existence is a fact with or without belief.
My values don't require belief. My brain sets up whatever values I happen to feel. There is no need to believe in something I experience.

Nakosis. Think deeply. Do you really live with no belief whatsoever? Does everything in your life have empirical evidence?

The problem is that this kind of discussion is mostly "against religions". What most atheists do is that they intend to be against religion and be on the opposite side.

Nevertheless, my grandfather owned two ships. I know he is my grandfather because my mother told me he is my grand father. But I dont have any empirical evidence. Well, I have no empirical evidence that she was my mother. God forgive me for saying this, but this is just an example.

But the experience in my life tells me she is my mother. I have no reason to doubt. Is that a belief or is that empirical evidence to something?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ok, what is your definition of belief?

Belief is a cognitive stance in short. E.g. you have a belief/cognitive stance on what a definition is. Or what is good or bad for you. Or what the world is.

 

[Nakosis]

There is a difference between saying measurement is evidence of reality, and saying it’s the only measurement of reality. If we maintain that a thing has to be measured in order to be real, we limit our outlook considerably. Where does this leave dark matter, for example? Or particles in a superposition? If we say, in the latter case, that a particle has no existence until it is measured - and some physicists do say that - then we are lapsing into solipsism, and scientists tend not to like solipsisms.

A paradox, then. Though in truth, we believe all sorts of things we can’t see, touch, or weigh; love, for instance. And abstract concepts such as perfection, wonder, truth…

Love is a feeling. A physiological process, a fact of various biochemical changes in our system. These others perfection, wonder, truth are indeed concepts which IMO require belief. So the question then would be, can we live life without the belief in these concepts?

 

[ChristineM]

So you believe.

So i can weigh, measured and observe. As other people also independently can.