... utter nonsense.
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UnityNow101
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To somebody who doesn't understand it's intricacies.
A few points:
- humans have always had the same number of genes. A human with a greater number of genes would be some other species, not human.
- did you really just say "antediluvian"? Really?
I know...pretty cool word huh?
In Christianity, we would say they actually were a different type species (kinda, sorda). At the point of creation, they would have been initially programmed to live forever, with no corruption at all. Sin would have changed this, and degraded the gene pool. Basically, a turd was thrown into the pool, and a bunch of genes jumped out.
That wasn't quite what was going through my head.
I was more thinking that debating science with someone who believes that Noah's flood literally happened is probably a lost cause.
I'd ask you to provide a mechanism besides turds and jumping genes by which people's bad behaviour (other than bad behaviour involving radiation) might corrupt their DNA, but there's probably not much point, is there?
Well, I would say that mechanism would be sin.
Not good enough. Here's a breakdown:
- sin happens
- therefore, _____________ happens
- therefore, genetic mutation happens.
What goes in the blank?
Judgement.
Genetics are inherited. Are you saying that you, I and all other humans are suffering under the judgement meted out on our long-dead ancestors? Hardly seems just, IMO.
:biglaugh: I'm sure we all covet your oft demonstrated grasp of intricacies. :biglaugh:
Alceste
Vagabond
Evolution has nothing to say about where life came from, as far as I know, but I would recommend talking to an evolutionary biologist about the latest theories on the subject, as I imagine there are a few.
Evolution is observable and demonstrable in (for example) animal husbandry. The selective breeding of dogs produces observable differences determined entirely by their mating patterns and environmental conditions. Darwin suggests the same speciation also happens when organisms are left to reproduce without human interference. Do you have some reason to believe otherwise? Did God create the dairy cow as is, according to your understanding?
Boy, some of you fundies could really benefit from a good Torah class. :no:
logician
Well-Known Member
Same thing, you have to believe the intelligent designer also sprang from nothing.
When a creationist uses the term evolution, it's implicit that he's referring to macro-evolution and not micro-evolution.
Or that the intelligent designer was eternal. Something that we have no proof of or against. That seems better than claiming that the universe is eternal, which flies in the face of our scientific "best guess", don't you think?
Alceste
Vagabond
... with little or no understanding of what any of those terms actually mean.
No magical dust-zapping?? :sad4: *is deflated*
... that being evolution that God magically stops in its tracks before it gets out of hand.
Evolutionary biologists make no distinction between macro- and micro-evolution. Nor should any such distinction be made, so far as I can see. What makes you think the distinction between macro- and micro-evolution is something other than so much bunk?