Lifestyle Changes Won't Help

[Revoltingest]

Do you have any ideas on what direction we should go? How to nudge society in a more mindful and green direction?

I don't.

I do what I can, but I know it's not enough.

- Subsidize solar power (already so).
- Change tax code to encourage energy efficient design & renewable energy.
- Change zoning & building codes to encourage higher
density, & more efficient dwelling units. Currently, government
regulation is the single biggest problem.
- Remove incentives to flood the land with people.
We have more than enuf population already.

 

[The Hammer]

- Subsidize solar power (already so).
- Change tax code to encourage energy efficient design & renewable energy.
- Change zoning & building codes to encourage higher
density, & more efficient dwelling units. Currently, government
regulation is the single biggest problem.
- Remove incentives to flood the land with people.
We have more than enuf population already.

They've done away with purely single family zoning in Seattle. Allowing both 1 family households and townhomes/condos/high rises to be zoned side by side. It's actually in most of the cities here now. Tacoma, Bellingham, Seattle, Everett.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Remove incentives to flood the land with people.

They should flip it around to encourage having fewer to no kids and incentivize adoption.
The Earth and all her inhabitants will breathe easier with way fewer of us.

 

[The Hammer]

They should flip it around to encourage having fewer to no kids and incentivize adoption.
The Earth and all her inhabitants will breathe easier with way fewer of us.

We don't have a population problem, as much as we have a resource distribution and over-consumption/waste problem. We have enough resources to feed and house the world, but not the will or means to distribute it equitably.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We don't have a population problem, as much as we have a resource distribution and over-consumption/waste problem. We have enough resources to feed and house the world, but not the will or means to distribute it equitably.

The Earth needs fewer of us. We aren't good at being responsible, and the Earth already needs to recover from us as we are.

 

[The Hammer]

The Earth needs fewer of us. We aren't good at being responsible, and the Earth already needs to recover from us as we are.

Maybe. But birth rates are dropping as is. No changes necessary.
Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

 

[JustGeorge]

At some point kiddies will just have to clean their rooms.

Hey, I know my room is a mess, but can't cause this all by itself!

Maybe. But birth rates are dropping as is. No changes necessary.
Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

I think if the people that already existed lived in ways that went with nature, rather than against it, were more community based(living with the local environment rather than shipping everything all over the place), and dropped consumption for consumption's sake, population wouldn't be a problem. There just isn't enough out there for everyone to live like this:

That doesn't mean population's the problem. Again, it points to lifestyle.

 

[Revoltingest]

They've done away with purely single family zoning in Seattle. Allowing both 1 family households and townhomes/condos/high rises to be zoned side by side. It's actually in most of the cities here now. Tacoma, Bellingham, Seattle, Everett.

That's some progress.
With higher density, utility burdens are lessened,
& mass transit is enabled.

 

[Heyo]

We could always go back to using sails. I'd love a wind powered cruise.

I got to sail around on this gal for a day, it was fun.

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I also love the vintage ones but they aren't for everyone. You can always put some masts on a modern ship as well:

 

[Heyo]

The companies polluting the planet have spent millions to make you think carpooling and recycling will save us

"But at this point, personal lifestyle changes will not turn the climate crisis around. A report from the International Energy Agency, which lays out a path to a net-zero-emissions energy system by 2050, estimates that individual behavioral changes would only account for about 4% of the necessary reductions.

To have even a 50% chance of stopping the world's temperature from rising more than 1.5 degrees Celsius, according to a study published this month, 90% of coal and 60% of oil and gas reserves must stay in the ground."

Lifestyle change is a vital component to fight the climate crisis. Bot not just personal lifestyle change, it has to be an international lifestyle change in all aspects of the economy. That won't happen without forcing some people to change. It is easy to point at some polluters (your lifestyle doesn't depend on) but none of these will change anything on their own.
The most effective and probably just method would be to tax products depending on their ecological footprint (and use the tax money to subsidise green projects). Do you think you'd change your lifestyle if gas would cost 5 times what it costs now? Electricity 3 to 4 times and meat at least double?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Fortunately a lot of us don't rely on ancient superstitions to take care of things.

I wonder why you say 'fortunately' because un-fortunately man's history has shows that MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, to MAN's injury.
And I do wonder how what is recorded at Luke 21:11 is superstition _____________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

...........How to nudge society in a more mindful and green direction? I don't. I do what I can, but I know it's not enough.

Years ago actor Danny Kaye who did a lot of charity work for children concluded that without birth control there is No solution.
Because there is No way to nudge society (including getting rid of litter bugs) shows man is Not capable of directing his own step, that is why according to Scripture God will have Jesus step in.- Jeremiah 10:23; Jeremiah 29:11

 

[The Hammer]

Years ago actor Danny Kaye who did a lot of charity work for children concluded that without birth control there is No solution.
Because there is No way to nudge society (including getting rid of litter bugs) shows man is Not capable of directing his own step, that is why according to Scripture God will have Jesus step in.- Jeremiah 10:23; Jeremiah 29:11

Not all of us believe in Scripture. And it certainly won't help us now, if it hasn't in the past.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not all of us believe in Scripture. And it certainly won't help us now, if it hasn't in the past.

To me applying Bible morals in one's life style does help.
Living by Bible standards and principles shows an honest and loving help for all people around such a person.
Because of the lack or the ignoring of what Jesus taught is what certainly doesn't help.
Jesus forewarned MANY would come in his name but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, to me it is the ignoring of what Jesus taught that does Not help.
Since the majority don't apply Bible standards or Bible morals in their life does Not mean Scripture won't help.
What won't help is the majority choosing Not to live by Bible standards or morals.
This does Not make Scripture as wrong or won't help now but makes those rejecting Scripture as wrong.
Because of the many who falsely claim to be Christian it will end up with the powers that be turning on the religious world.
In the past God used the political/military to do His will, so it should be No surprise when this happens again.

 

[The Hammer]

To me applying Bible morals in one's life style does help.
Living by Bible standards and principles shows an honest and loving help for all people around such a person.
Because of the lack or the ignoring of what Jesus taught is what certainly doesn't help.
Jesus forewarned MANY would come in his name but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, to me it is the ignoring of what Jesus taught that does Not help.
Since the majority don't apply Bible standards or Bible morals in their life does Not mean Scripture won't help.
What won't help is the majority choosing Not to live by Bible standards or morals.
This does Not make Scripture as wrong or won't help now but makes those rejecting Scripture as wrong.
Because of the many who falsely claim to be Christian it will end up with the powers that be turning on the religious world.
In the past God used the political/military to do His will, so it should be No surprise when this happens again.

What won't help is waiting for some external entity to intervene in something that we can directly control and influence, our own behaviour and actions.

 

[Heyo]

What won't help is waiting for some external entity to intervene in something that we can directly control and influence, our own behaviour and actions.

That's true but it alone won't help. We need personal and systemic change.

 

[The Hammer]

That's true but it alone won't help. We need personal and systemic change.

Agreed, and that was the whole point of this thread.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder why you say 'fortunately' because un-fortunately man's history has shows that MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, to MAN's injury.
And I do wonder how what is recorded at Luke 21:11 is superstition _____________

Fortunately because we've been getting better the further we remove ourselves from a book that permits such wickedness and evil. Fortunately because many have realized we must act on our own behalf rather than waiting for the various invisible figures of the various religions to intervene.
Such as, we've went from the Bible that permits sex slavery to a world that has nearly entirely abolished and eradicated the practice of slavery.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Fortunately a lot of us don't rely on ancient superstitions to take care of things.

One exception.

I do like native philosophy and religion.

If we put indigenous nations in charge , I believe them when they say you will be able to once again drink from any stream.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

One exception.

I do like native philosophy and religion.

If we put indigenous nations in charge , I believe them when they say you will be able to once again drink from any stream.

Ahhh....the "noble savage" nonsense.
Just so you know, even indigenous tribes haven't always been great for the environment. Some of them have even contributed to the extinction of various species.