We can hope, eh.
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Lifting sanctions positive effects? Alternatives?
- Thread starter Brickjectivity
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Iran has violated every agreement it has made - except one: it's agreement with the totalitarian mullahs to sponsor and engage in extremist Shia terrorism.
Iranian nutjobs who run Iran have so many "demons" they want to mass murder - including other sects of Islam - it is not even funny. Just see, not only does Obama now make the path to the bomb easier for these nutjobs, Obama and the few toadie Democrats who (hesitantly) go along with this piece of crap Obama now are on the same page with Liberty Lobby operatives (Jew hating remnants from the 1970s who changed their names and now have positions in his bureaucracy and administration), the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations, and various Ku Klux Klan chapters who celebrate Iran's victory because they want to nuke Israel.
This isn't "disentangling" anything, it will without question escalate nuclear as well and almost equally as dangerous "conventional" weapons which with technology soon will be equally destructive, so this is not just about nukes actually, it will spread such weaponization in the region. The world isn't "safe" because you live on the other side of an ocean, the entire world is now not so "entire" anything and is next door. Also, because of this, comparing it to pre-WW2 isn't even accurate, it is more dangerous than the idiocy of those times.
Obama was already the worst ever, so no need to restate the obvious. It would have been better if he never was born.
Iranian nutjobs who run Iran have so many "demons" they want to mass murder - including other sects of Islam - it is not even funny. Just see, not only does Obama now make the path to the bomb easier for these nutjobs, Obama and the few toadie Democrats who (hesitantly) go along with this piece of crap Obama now are on the same page with Liberty Lobby operatives (Jew hating remnants from the 1970s who changed their names and now have positions in his bureaucracy and administration), the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations, and various Ku Klux Klan chapters who celebrate Iran's victory because they want to nuke Israel.
This isn't "disentangling" anything, it will without question escalate nuclear as well and almost equally as dangerous "conventional" weapons which with technology soon will be equally destructive, so this is not just about nukes actually, it will spread such weaponization in the region. The world isn't "safe" because you live on the other side of an ocean, the entire world is now not so "entire" anything and is next door. Also, because of this, comparing it to pre-WW2 isn't even accurate, it is more dangerous than the idiocy of those times.
Obama was already the worst ever, so no need to restate the obvious. It would have been better if he never was born.
Interesting point, although it will be better if we can find other uses for oil besides burning it. Perhaps if we convert it all into plastic towers? You know what concerns me is that one of these days a rift opens up in the ocean floor and releases trillions of barrels of oil all at once. I'm for extracting it but not for burning it. Its a fine line.
Actually about 60% of Americans probably. Anyway we don't appreciate being called toadies all the time by the Republicans, and we don't appreciate all the various rumors you've spread. "Obama has sex with Satan" and so forth. Its pissant politics. Everybody is a nutjob but you.
LoL! Heil Hitbama!
This is why its so hard to take seriously your other statements. Forsooth.
I donno maybe. Is this just something to prove Obama's the antichrist or a reasonable statement? Can we please, you know, talk about things other than Obama? Thanks!
I think there's wide agreement that to call Obama a "bozo" is unfair to Bozo.
It's true that Obama is Satan's minion, but our Dark Lord is sorely disappointed in his feckless flunky.
But people are a mixed bag of good & evil. Obama is no exception.
To pursue negotiation is better than war or cold war.
Israel doesn't like it, but they can go suck an egg.
Now, imagine what would happen if Mad Dog McCain had won....
To prevent a war by starting a war?
Dumb.
It's true that Obama is Satan's minion, but our Dark Lord is sorely disappointed in his feckless flunky.
But people are a mixed bag of good & evil. Obama is no exception.
To pursue negotiation is better than war or cold war.
Israel doesn't like it, but they can go suck an egg.
Now, imagine what would happen if Mad Dog McCain had won....
To prevent a war by starting a war?
Dumb.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Agree with you. Burning oil is not good. Cutting trees is not good. Using too much of the earth's resources is sure to create problems in the future. Humans need to live more frugally.
This thread is surreal ...
It has an unusual format, but it is a serious thread not meant to give people headaches.
Please stop your madness worshiping this moron and failed "leader" Obama. This "deal" is like pre-WW2 all over again. Those who cheered on this piece of crap really need to be the first to suffer his consequences. Anyway, this is one more reason why the election is in the bag for the Republicans. Amazing how lame some Democrats are. This is going to be a fun 2016 election. Hillary the Jew hater, who went around calling Dick Morris "that f****** Jew *******" as Morris revealed. Now Obama is aligned with the Jew haters, next it will be the 911 "truthers". This is really funny in one way.
Very creative and off topic.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
The alternative to this plan being what?
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Agree with you. Burning oil is not good. Cutting trees is not good. Using too much of the earth's resources is sure to create problems in the future. Humans need to live more frugally.
I'm all for cutting trees as long as it's sensibly done...
Underhill
Well-Known Member
I think there's wide agreement that to call Obama a "bozo" is unfair to Bozo.
It's true that Obama is Satan's minion, but our Dark Lord is sorely disappointed in his feckless flunky.
But people are a mixed bag of good & evil. Obama is no exception.
To pursue negotiation is better than war or cold war.
Israel doesn't like it, but they can go suck an egg.
Now, imagine what would happen if Mad Dog McCain had won....
To prevent a war by starting a war?
Dumb.
Sounds about right. All those out there shouting down the deal have yet to explain exactly what they want to do.
As for Israel, I suspect they have to claim publicly that they are against this deal but I bet a large percentage in that country are happy to see it happen.
This isn't about the price of oil. If you like cheap oil, thank the frackers and shale. No one needs Iran for oil. Only Iran needs Iran for oil. If you don't personally want to burn oil, then don't, please do what ever you are free to do.
There were lots of Jews who were enablers that told the other Jews that Hitler was civilized, that after all the German people were good so the Nazis ultimately have good intentions, there is nothing to fear and it is these suspicious Jews and their "fear mongering" that are the problem, not the Nazis. "Don't be a backward peasant", they said, be a cosmopolitan and a good German socialist like the National Socialist German Workers Party. After all, they said, Hilter just wants to correct the wrongs of World War I and Germany is being cheated of oil and land. His words are taken way out of context.
Because of Jews like that, their children found themselves separated from their families in German, Ukranian, Russian, Muslim death camps after a long train ride, or simply beat with shovels and thrown into pits. The Nazis meant what they said.
The nutjob mullahs that run Iran mean exactly what they say and intend to do, even if all of their own die while trying to do these murders. They will kill every Jew. They will torture and round up, gas or behead every homosexual because they are untouchables. They will grind up as meat every last Hindu because they consider them subhuman not even worthy to be slaves. They want World War 3 because they believe this War and "fire" will harker the "mahdi" who, in the fires of destruction, will come out of a well (literally, a well located in Iran) only if the end times are harkened to destroy all Jews, Hindus, Christians, homosexuals, first, then eventually all non-muslims. This messiac mahdi rising out of nuclear and world war is a creation of modern times based on some insane "signs" given to the mullahs that never were a part of the original story of some mosque and a well. They are so adamant about this "miracle" of death, there is intelligence that shows they are even trying to stage a fake mahdi-related event of some kind to rally nutjobs all over the world, it doesn't matter it is knowingly fake to them as they are the perpetrators of fakery, the outcome is the "miracle" and the end justifies the means. There is a fake mahdi event coming next.
Some Jews on this forum are one of those 1939 Jews who told of the "good Germans". Doesn't matter if there were good Germans in 1939. But these are always the loud mouths who then wind up having their kids burned.
Obama is Neville Chamberlain. He is worse then that. He is a fat headed, chip on his shoulder, moron with some inane idea of legacy. He is the mahdi to the delusional. Piano wires await this idiocy, not a piano.
There were lots of Jews who were enablers that told the other Jews that Hitler was civilized, that after all the German people were good so the Nazis ultimately have good intentions, there is nothing to fear and it is these suspicious Jews and their "fear mongering" that are the problem, not the Nazis. "Don't be a backward peasant", they said, be a cosmopolitan and a good German socialist like the National Socialist German Workers Party. After all, they said, Hilter just wants to correct the wrongs of World War I and Germany is being cheated of oil and land. His words are taken way out of context.
Because of Jews like that, their children found themselves separated from their families in German, Ukranian, Russian, Muslim death camps after a long train ride, or simply beat with shovels and thrown into pits. The Nazis meant what they said.
The nutjob mullahs that run Iran mean exactly what they say and intend to do, even if all of their own die while trying to do these murders. They will kill every Jew. They will torture and round up, gas or behead every homosexual because they are untouchables. They will grind up as meat every last Hindu because they consider them subhuman not even worthy to be slaves. They want World War 3 because they believe this War and "fire" will harker the "mahdi" who, in the fires of destruction, will come out of a well (literally, a well located in Iran) only if the end times are harkened to destroy all Jews, Hindus, Christians, homosexuals, first, then eventually all non-muslims. This messiac mahdi rising out of nuclear and world war is a creation of modern times based on some insane "signs" given to the mullahs that never were a part of the original story of some mosque and a well. They are so adamant about this "miracle" of death, there is intelligence that shows they are even trying to stage a fake mahdi-related event of some kind to rally nutjobs all over the world, it doesn't matter it is knowingly fake to them as they are the perpetrators of fakery, the outcome is the "miracle" and the end justifies the means. There is a fake mahdi event coming next.
Some Jews on this forum are one of those 1939 Jews who told of the "good Germans". Doesn't matter if there were good Germans in 1939. But these are always the loud mouths who then wind up having their kids burned.
Obama is Neville Chamberlain. He is worse then that. He is a fat headed, chip on his shoulder, moron with some inane idea of legacy. He is the mahdi to the delusional. Piano wires await this idiocy, not a piano.
Wirey
Fartist
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Nice work. Just enough truth to make your insanity seem legitimate.
I have no doubt that some of the Iranians are willing to go to great lengths to kill Jews. But the vast majority of Iranians do not feel this way. Most of them are just like any of us. The key (I think) in the middle east is to get the majority moderates in charge. It is a struggle as most of them (again like us) are not fighters.
But I guarantee that more bombing and wars aimed at Iran will not solve the problem. It is the worlds messiest band-aid. Yes, you may keep them from nuclear weapons more assuredly, but you create yet another terrorist factory.
The reality is that there is no good solution. There is the optimistic approach and the pessimistic approach. Personally I prefer optimism and hope that over the next 10-15 years we can affect change with more carrot and less stick. The alternative approach is scary.
Exactly.
This is absolute nonsense suggesting a naivete bordering on irresponsible.
So, for example, if we take this NPR as being reasonably accurate, we read in part:
Now tell me why "a large percentage" of Israelis should be "happy to see it happen."
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Just go back to my first line. What are the alternatives?
Do all Israeli's support bombing another middle eastern country? Stirring up another hornets nest? I can't imagine they do. I've talked to a fair number that do not agree with the leaderships treatment of the Palestinians. I imagine this is much the same. There are militants and moderates in Israel just like in the rest of the world.
As for these terrorist allies of Iran, right now we have no leverage with Iran. We've imposed sanctions on top of sanctions and they are on every watch list that exist. Iran has nothing to lose. That all changes once trade resumes. They become a country, like the rest of the world, who has to worry about their markets. The religious leaders may hold all the cards now, but once money starts flowing, their hold has to diminish.
But I could be wrong. I doubt anyone can honestly say they know what will happen.
I have already applauded the point. However, it in no way makes the pollyannaish suggestion of a secretly happy large percentage of Israelis any less stupid.
..and we are talking about a sitting president who literally won two elections in a row. In other words, he is the president so what. Lots of people voted for him. Did he fire your nephew or something? I mean, can we move on please to the issues being discussed? Can we be like a little Cspan?
That is a good observation, and I don't relish Israel's position nor do I think USA should pat itself on the back. Nor do I agree with what Underhill said. Nor do I believe Iran's government is honest with us ever unless it is convenient.
Ok, but Israel really ought to reconsider its connection to the USA. There shouldn't be a price for USA support, but there's a price. USA politicians want Israel to wash our dirty laundry, make us look clean and spiffy again. That would help us in other international matters, but its really an impossible dream. Now Israel appears disappointed that USA wasn't more stern with Iran, but in truth Israel probably isn't surprised.
There's also the lesson of WWII that it might have been avoided had the nations simply cut Germany a little more slack after WWI. All those starving Germans became easy targets for despotism. I'm sure sanctions are effective sometimes, but they also sometimes encourage darker elements and create new enemies. This is something USA takes into consideration, that sometimes sanctions make our enemies more evil if not stronger.