Little confused...Are Jews allowed to drink alcohol or is it a sin?

[MyM]

It really depends on whether you're caught. If you can hide that you are doing something not acceptable by the local standards then you won't be kicked out, obviously. Doesn't matter what the situation is exactly.

ok real fast one last question lol does that apply to the men as well?

 

[MyM]

It reminds me of this film
Not Without My Daughter (film) - Wikipedia

oh I hated that film!! Made me wanna jump through the screen and beat the crap out of those people!

 

[Harel13]

ok real fast one last question lol does that apply to the men as well?

Of course.

 

[rosends]

oh I hated that film!! Made me wanna jump through the screen and beat the crap out of those people!

You mean it doesn't represent all Islam? I can't learn about an entire religion by watching a movie?

 

[MyM]

You mean it doesn't represent all Islam? I can't learn about an entire religion by watching a movie?

very funny...see I am really wanting to learn and you just spoil it as if I have no right....


anyways...night all!

 

[pearl]

I can't learn about an entire religion by watching a movie?

Very true, but this particular movie is said to be a true story, from the book 'Not Without My Daughter'.

In 1977, Betty married Dr. Sayyed "Moody" Bozorg Mahmoody. In 1984, when their daughter was four years old, Betty reluctantly agreed to accompany her husband on a two week vacation to Iran in order for his family to meet Mahtob. However, at the end of the two weeks, Moody decided that he, his wife and daughter would remain in Iran. Betty was trapped in Iran and could not return to the United States. The rest of Not Without My Daughter recounted Betty and Mahtob's escape from Iran and their return to the United States.

While the story was true, the author changed certain aspects of the story in order to protect those who aided her and her daughter in their escape. She wrote the following:

This is a true story.
The characters are authentic, the events real. But the names and identifying details of certain individuals have been disguised in order to protect them and their families against the possibility of arrest and execution by the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. These are: Hamid, the owner of a menswear store; Judy, an American woman married to an Iranian; Judy's brother-in-law, Ali; Judy's friends, Rasheed, Trish, Suzanne; the schoolteacher Mrs. Azahr; the mysterious Miss Alavi; Amahl and the smuggler, Mosehn.

Not Without My Daughter (book) - Wikipedia

 

[Flankerl]

It was customary among some Jewish communities in Europe. And still is by some modern Jewish communities. There are a number of reasons. One is related to problems that may stem from the hair during the purification process after the menstrual cycle, another is due to modesty, and there are other reasons.

Isn't it only done by Satmar?
Can't think of another dynasty doing it. Though what do I know with all the numerous dynasties.

Based only on my own limited experience, I would say that asking broad questions about what Jewish people do is analogous to asking a broad question about what Christians do. If one were to review the practices and beliefs of Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Anglican, Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Assemblies of God, Pentecostal, and the many sub-groups within each of those, one would get very different answers.

Please note, my intention is not to be snarky, but only to say that the Netflix movie or broad questions about what Jews practice or believe aren't likely to give you the depth of information you are seeking.

The general problem with Films/Series about Jews is that the market for them is very specific.
Meaning that it's usually about a Jew "escaping" Orthodox/Traditional Judaism for the wonderland of non-Jewish secularism and a non-Jewish partner.
There is barely anything about Orthodox/Traditional Jews just existing apart from Shtisel.

This is entirely different from other minorities where their portrayal does include positive aspects of their traditions.

 

[Harel13]

Isn't it only done by Satmar?

Pretty sure not. I had once a Charedi substitute teacher who did that (I don't even know why I know that. I was in 2nd grade) and I'm pretty sure she wasn't Satmar (while there might be Satmar who live in Israel, the odds of her coming to teach Dati kids in a non-Charedi city are pretty slim).

 

[firedragon]

Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go ahead and enjoy your meals as you eat. Drink your wine with a joyful attitude, because God already has approved your actions.”

Ecclesiastes is a very cloven book in the Tanakh in my opinion. My personal favourite.

 

[blü 2]

I am currently watching a show on Netflix called Schnitzel. I love to watch ethnic, religious shows. This one has me stumped a bit. I was wondering about the alcohol that they drink. I didn't know it was allowed in the Jewish religion. Can someone explain please?

You may be aware of the hypothesis based on the observation that as civilizations grew, so did polluted water.

And that (roughly) in the Middle East and subsequently the West, this problem was addressed by drinking, first beer (meaning much more broadly, fermented grain) and wine ─ in both cases, alcohol having antibacterial qualities.

Whereas in the East, this problem was solved by drinking tea (which involves boiling the water, another antibacterial process).

Wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging, but polluted water is quicker to give you hepatitis.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That's strange though to me because there are places in the Bible that says do not.

Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

“Then the LORD said to Aaron: ‘You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You must distinguish between the holy and the profane, between the unclean and the clean.’” Leviticus 10:8-10

“But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, and idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard of a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” 1 Corinthians 5:11

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

“Do not get drunk with wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.” Ephesians 5:18

there are places that say yes and then there are places that says no and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The Scriptures you quoted, other than Leviticus, forbid drunkenness, being a drunkard.

A person can drink w/o going that far.

 

[Segev Moran]

I am currently watching a show on Netflix called Schnitzel. I love to watch ethnic, religious shows. This one has me stumped a bit. I was wondering about the alcohol that they drink. I didn't know it was allowed in the Jewish religion. Can someone explain please?

Its Shtisel.. not Shnitzel (lol). (Shnitzel is a type of food).
And yes, not only Jews are allowed alcohol, but it is also a "Mitzvah" to drink on some occasions (Blessing of the Sabbath, Passover, Purim, and more).

 

[KWED]

I just assumed since I grew up a Christian and in that faith I grew up in I was taught alcohol was forbidden. Also in Islam, alcohol is forbidden. I just assumed it was forbidden. That is why I was taken back a bit. In Islam, what intoxicates you in big quantities is forbidden even in small quantities.
I just never knew this.

Religious leaders often mislead followers about what religious scriptures actually say.

 

[KWED]

That's strange though to me because there are places in the Bible that says do not.

Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

“Then the LORD said to Aaron: ‘You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You must distinguish between the holy and the profane, between the unclean and the clean.’” Leviticus 10:8-10

“But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, and idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard of a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” 1 Corinthians 5:11

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

“Do not get drunk with wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.” Ephesians 5:18

there are places that say yes and then there are places that says no and you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

None of those forbid drinking alcohol, only "drunkenness", and that is a subjective concept.

 

[KWED]

Why do I feel like this thread is yet another attempt to demonstrate some alleged similarity between Islam and previous Abrahamic religions despite what followers of said religions say to the contrary?

It seems important to some Muslim apologists that Christianity and Judaism are "corrupted versions of Islam". I have not managed to figure out why. Maybe it's something like getting into a band late in their career and dismissing their early work. Jews and Christians were into Genesis when Peter Gabriel was the singer, but Muslims only got into them after Gabriel left and Phil Collins took over.

 

[MyM]

Its Shtisel.. not Shnitzel (lol). (Shnitzel is a type of food).
And yes, not only Jews are allowed alcohol, but it is also a "Mitzvah" to drink on some occasions (Blessing of the Sabbath, Passover, Purim, and more).

oops lol sorry yes that's the one just tryin to understand the blessing part of something that damages the mind.

 

[exchemist]

Some Jews and Christians are teatotal, some are not.
It is not a religious thing.

Some denominations have been teatotal since their foundation. But it is not a requirement of Christianity, nor for Jews.

Steady on, teatotal is a state that can only ever apply to Englishmen.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Steady on, teatotal is a state that can only ever apply to Englishmen.

It was a sort of pun, with the T "Tea" replacing Temperance. So meant Total Temperance. But we never went as far as prohibition. But you could not buy a drink on a Sunday in most of Wales and much of Scotland.

 

[exchemist]

oops lol sorry yes that's the one just tryin to understand the blessing part of something that damages the mind.

Alcohol in moderation does not "damage the mind" - or not any more than countless other activities (video games, pornography, not getting enough sleep, listening to speeches by Trump......) Please do not conflate drinking alcohol with drinking too much.

As many people have pointed out on this thread, alcohol is permitted in both Christianity and Judaism. Wine indeed has a central place in Christian worship - and has been part of the culture of Europe and the Mediterranean, where both religions arose, for millennia. So it is Islam that is the odd one out here. Perhaps it is not so surprising, since you can't grow grapes in the Arabian desert and in that climate alcohol is actually quite bad for you (I lived in the Persian Gulf for some years .)

In fact, according to my understanding, the Koran doesn't actually forbid all alcohol explicitly: it just forbids anything that "clouds the mind". Or so I was told once, by a Jordanian, over a beer in Amman. So, he said, if you don't allow your mind to be clouded, there is not really an issue. (There is, or was, a brewery in Amman.) Perhaps you can tell me if he was correct or not.

 

[MyM]

Alcohol in moderation does not "damage the mind" - or not any more than countless other activities (video games, pornography, not getting enough sleep, listening to speeches by Trump......) Please do not conflate drinking alcohol with drinking too much.

As many people have pointed out on this thread, alcohol is permitted in both Christianity and Judaism. Wine indeed has a central place in Christian worship - and has been part of the culture of Europe and the Mediterranean, where both religions arose, for millennia. So it is Islam that is the odd one out here. Perhaps it is not so surprising, since you can't grow grapes in the Arabian desert and in that climate alcohol is actually quite bad for you (I lived in the Persian Gulf for some years .)

In fact, according to my understanding, the Koran doesn't actually forbid all alcohol explicitly: it just forbids anything that "clouds the mind". Or so I was told once, by a Jordanian, over a beer in Amman. So, he said, if you don't allow your mind to be clouded, there is not really an issue. (There is, or was, a brewery in Amman.) Perhaps you can tell me if he was correct or not.

Yes, it is forbidden. Verses before the prohibition are there as well But it is indeed prohibited.

There are three types of alcohol that jurists have determined.

1. Drinkable alcohol that is obtained from fruit, sugarcane, and grains such as whiskey, liquor, vodka, beer, and so forth.
2. Rubbing alcohol such as ethyl alcohol in high percentages aka ethanol and isopropyl alcohol used for pharmaceutical and medical purposes
3. Industrial alcohol such as methyl alcohol aka methanol

Drinking all three kinds of alcohol, no matter what their percentage is, is religiously unlawful (ḥarām) in Islam, whether it intoxicates or does not, or is pure or impure. Allah says that the alcohol that people drink and causes intoxication is rijs (رِجس) meaning it is impure (نَجِس). In Islam, eating or drinking anything that is impure is religiously unlawful. For example, one cannot drink the blood of animals, even if their meat is halal. Therefore, alcohol, which is also impure, is forbidden to drink.

Allah has from the very beginning said that consumption of intoxicants such as alcohol is a sin, although it might have some benefits, yet its sin and harms outweigh its benefits. In the final verse that was revealed about alcohol in Quran, Allah categorically and emphatically prohibits the use of alcohol and states that it is the action of Satan.

Yes, it is very hot here in UAE.