Little known about interior of earth

[dad]

Really? What exactly is the "spiritual element" you refer to? What does it look like? Sound like? Smell like? Feel like? Taste like?

Hot air?
So if there's no one there to imagine it, it doesn't exist. And if there is someone there to imagine it, it's whatever they imagine it to be. Right?
The realm of the physical sciences is the world external to the self, nature. Those studying history, literature, art, esthetics, religions and so on may all draw on science to illuminate various points, of course.
They know more than you do, and that's because, having formed an hypothesis, they went and tested it to see whether it was right or wrong.

That's a perfectly normal procedure in science, as I've told you many times. Each of their hypotheses is derived from evidence, and the testing process provides further evidence, positive or negative. Unlike you, science is not afraid to be wrong on the way to finding what's actually right.

Since science doesn't know what is down there, it doesn't know if there is anything else. Science doesn't even know what man is or what we are made of! They miss the forest for the trees.

 

[blü 2]

Since science doesn't know what is down there, it doesn't know if there is anything else. Science doesn't even know what man is or what we are made of! They miss the forest for the trees.

If you say humans are made of something other than, or in addition to, their biochemistry and cooperative microorganisms, describe that something to us and demonstrate its existence.

Since this has never been done, I'm not seriously expecting you to be able to do it now, but it seems fair to ask you.

 

[dad]

If you say humans are made of something other than, or in addition to, their biochemistry and cooperative microorganisms, describe that something to us and demonstrate its existence.

Since this has never been done, I'm not seriously expecting you to be able to do it now, but it seems fair to ask you.

Can you demonstrate a sunset to a dead man?

 

[Onoma]

Ah, is the OP attempting claim hell might exist as a physical location inside the earth, because of heat encountered while drilling ?

I'd have to first point out that seismic wave models use nominal conventions of depth and layers merely for the convenience, and like any model, it never perfectly is the thing it attempts to describe, so an artistic depiction and model will likely not even be close to the actual structures and layers underground. Hence it's no shock that actual temps didn't match with predictions based on a nominal model ( nominal VS actual )

If that sounds like sloppy science, I'd simply point out that the Bohr model is completely outdated, yet still commonly used as a teaching tool for physics

There are also way hotter temp discovered in shallower drills, like the KTB borehole - 260 °C (500 °F)

The Kola borehole measured 180 °C, while modern oil / gas formations at much shallower depths routinely reach 160°C, so it's really not that hot

Also, in the Greek NT manuscripts both " hades " and " heaven " are preceded by a primary preposition in Greek, ( rendered in English as " in " ) and there's zero indication it refers to them being physical locations, since primary prepositions in Greek can indicate : time, place or the state of a situation

It's kinda like if I said " help, I'm in trouble " and you thought I was saying I'm in a place called " trouble " when in fact I am not, because " trouble " would be the state of the situation as opposed to a place I'm physically in

There are several different Greek words translated as " in " and they all have distinct meaning

 

[dad]

Ah, is the OP attempting claim hell might exist as a physical location inside the earth, because of heat encountered while drilling ?

No

I'd have to first point out that seismic wave models use nominal conventions of depth and layers merely for the convenience, and like any model, it never perfectly is the thing it attempts to describe, so an artistic depiction and model will likely not even be close to the actual structures and layers underground. Hence it's no shock that actual temps didn't match with predictions based on a nominal model ( nominal VS actual )

I didn't find it shocking they were wrong either.

If that sounds like sloppy science, I'd simply point out that the Bohr model is completely outdated, yet still commonly used as a teaching tool for physics

So?

There are also way hotter temp discovered in shallower drills, like the KTB borehole - 260 °C (500 °F)

Excellent, so wrong six ways from Sunday then.

The Kola borehole measured 180 °C, while modern oil / gas formations at much shallower depths routinely reach 160°C, so it's really not that hot

Also, in the Greek NT manuscripts both " hades " and " heaven " are preceded by a primary preposition in Greek, ( rendered in English as " in " ) and there's zero indication it refers to them being physical locations, since primary prepositions in Greek can indicate : time, place or the state of a situation

Well, nothing there takes away from the fact that beings will come out of the portal to the deep when it opened. Jesus did go down into the earth to preach to beings also. When it talks about those under the earth, I see nothing about Hades?

Strawman argument.

 

[Onoma]

Unfortunately you never made an argument to begin with, so there's no strawman

If my replies seemed vague, it's only because your point was ( If you had one, which it seemed you didn't )

" hades " ....yeah, good luck with that, but it's preceded by a primary preposition in Koine Greek

 

[dad]

Unfortunately you never made an argument to begin with, so there's no strawman

If my replies seemed vague, it's only because your point was ( If you had one, which it seemed you didn't )

" hades " ....yeah, good luck with that, but it's preceded by a primary preposition in Koine Greek

It is a strawman argument to say the reason the OP noted the errors of predictions in science about the interior of the earth was because of some hot hell down there.

 

[tayla]

Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth.

Taking this thinking to its logical conclusion, the laws of nature change everywhere, but we are powerless to observe this because it is hidden from us. No experiment could ever detect the drastic differences in the laws of nature from place to place.

Why would God choreograph something so intricate and complex?

 

[dad]

Taking this thinking to its logical conclusion, the laws of nature change everywhere, but we are powerless to observe this because it is hidden from us. No experiment could ever detect the drastic differences in the laws of nature from place to place.

Why would God choreograph something so intricate and complex?

When talking of the interior of earth that seems to include a spiritual component, we cannot say what laws exist or did exist there.

 

[gnostic]

Since science doesn't know what is down there, it doesn't know if there is anything else. Science doesn't even know what man is or what we are made of! They miss the forest for the trees.

Does the Bible know anything about the Earth’s interiors, like what under the Earth’s crusts?

Christians used to believe Hell or Sheol was in underground, just as the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians and Greeks centuries before Christian myth. No Christians believe this, today.

 

[The Anointed]

No

I didn't find it shocking they were wrong either.


So?

Excellent, so wrong six ways from Sunday then.


Well, nothing there takes away from the fact that beings will come out of the portal to the deep when it opened. Jesus did go down into the earth to preach to beings also. When it talks about those under the earth, I see nothing about Hades?

Strawman argument.

Hades is the inner spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional world, and hades is the world of the shadows of the dead, or the facsimiles of the dead.

“YOU,” as a human being, are Body, Soul and Spirit, but “YOU” the invisible mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and pre-human has been gathered in its evolution to become ‘WHO YOU ARE’, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil of the flesh to the inner most sanctuary of its temporary earthly tabernacle or tent, which is your physical body, as it awaits the creation of its glorious temple of incorruptible Light. [THE SON OF MAN]

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE.”

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind The veil,

I lifted up my hands to find A lamp amid the Darkness;

and I heard, As from Without----

“The Me within Thee is blind.”----- By Omar Khayyam.


When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, [The collective consciousness of all that exists] from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is “YOU” has condemned ‘WHO YOU ARE’ and ‘WHO YOU ARE’ having being condemned by ‘YOU’, is then divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul. Hebrews 4: 12.---------“For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit.”

 

[The Anointed]

Much of the information about what is under the earth comes from seismic waves. Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth. Unless this was true, we basically know almost nothing about what is actually down there.

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

Looking at what was learned from the deepest hole ever dug, we find that expectations/predictions of science models were shattered in some areas.

Example:

"While data produced by the Kola drilling project continues to be analyzed, the drilling itself was forced to stop in the early 1990s when unexpectedly high temperatures were encountered. While the temperature gradient conformed to predictions down to a depth of about 10,000 feet, temperatures after this point increased at a higher rate until they reached 180 °C (or 356 °F) at the bottom of the hole. This was a drastic difference from the expected 100 °C (212 °F)."


"..One of the most surprising findings was the absence of the transition from granite to basalt, which scientists had long expected to exist between three and six kilometers below the surface."

Though the discontinuity has been detected beneath all of the continents, the drill at Kola never encountered the proposed layer of basalt. Instead, the granitic rock was found to extend beyond the twelve kilometer point.

Kola Superdeep Borehole

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition Genesis 7: 11-12; When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month all the outlets of the vast body of water beneath the earth burst open, all the floodgates of the sky were opened, and rain fell on the earth for forty days and nights.

Scientists have long suspected there was a lot of water beneath our feet, but this may be the first direct evidence that a vast reservoir of water is locked inside the mantle’s “transitional zone.” The significance: If just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, researchers say, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface.

One assumption is that all ice contained on land has drained to the sea and not held in continental lakes or rivers. Once all ice is melted and added to the global oceans our seas would rise by 216 feet as compared to the current level.

Scientific researchers today, have absolutely no idea of just how much water is locked up in the transitional Zone, and yet they believe that if just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface. But if in the future it is discovered that much, more than 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, and the forty days and nights of pouring rain, was not water that had evaporated from the earth, but somehow came from earth’s close encounter with a decomposing Comet, that was said to have occurred around 2350 B.C., would there have been enough tidal pull by the close encounter of the passing comet to cause the water to cover the mountains viewed and recorded by the observer of such a flood?

Psalms 104: 5-9; “You have set the earth firmly on its foundations, and it will never be moved. You placed the ocean over it like a robe, and the water covered the mountains. When you rebuked the waters, they fled; they rushed away when they heard your shout of command. They flowed over the mountains and into the valleys, to the place you had made for them. You set a boundary they can never pass, to keep them from covering the earth again.”

 

[ppp]

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

The Bible was confused. Those are just the Molemen. But not the Lizardmen, because those are just a myth.

 

[dad]

Does the Bible know anything about the Earth’s interiors, like what under the Earth’s crusts?

A lot more than what science thought it knew.

Christians used to believe Hell or Sheol was in underground, just as the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians and Greeks centuries before Christian myth. No Christians believe this, today.

Says...who?

 

[dad]

Hades is the inner spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional world, and hades is the world of the shadows of the dead, or the facsimiles of the dead.

Who made those rules?

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created,

God made man from the dust of the earth. Not universal elements.

all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, [The collective consciousness of all that exists]

Collective smective...baloney.

 

[dad]

Good News Bible, Catholic Study Edition Genesis 7: 11-12; When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month all the outlets of the vast body of water beneath the earth burst open, all the floodgates of the sky were opened, and rain fell on the earth for forty days and nights.

Scientists have long suspected there was a lot of water beneath our feet, but this may be the first direct evidence that a vast reservoir of water is locked inside the mantle’s “transitional zone.” The significance: If just 1 percent of the “transitional zone” is made up of water, researchers say, it would triple the amount of water on the Earth’s surface.

There also may be water in the core area, who knows? The point is that we do not know where the water that came up already in Noahs day was. Your speculation that it was from the moist rocks under there is not gospel or science.

 

[dad]

The Bible was confused. Those are just the Molemen. But not the Lizardmen, because those are just a myth.

You are confused.

 

[gnostic]

Does the Bible know anything about the Earth’s interiors, like what under the Earth’s crusts?

Christians used to believe Hell or Sheol was in underground, just as the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians and Greeks centuries before Christian myth. No Christians believe this, today.

Says...who?

Seriously!

Not "who", dad.

It's a "what". Numbers 16, dad.

Have you completely forgotten the incidence where Korah challenged the status of Moses, Aaron and the Levites, and the earth opened up and swallowed Korah and all his followers?

31 As soon as he finished speaking all these words, the ground under them was split apart. 32 The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, along with their households—everyone who belonged to Korah and all their goods. 33 So they with all that belonged to them went down alive into Sheol; the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.

Sheol was literally viewed as being underground, hence the Underworld, and Numbers 16:33 explicitly say the earth close over them, where 250 + Korah perished in Sheol.

Man, dad. You really should go back to Sunday school that you would forget this incident.

You should know the story better than I do, because I haven't read Numbers in years.

 

[ppp]

You are confused.

And that is a lovely drawing.

 

[dad]

Seriously!

Not "who", dad.

It's a "what". Numbers 16, dad.

Have you completely forgotten the incidence where Korah challenged the status of Moses, Aaron and the Levites, and the earth opened up and swallowed Korah and all his followers?



Sheol was literally viewed as being underground, hence the Underworld, and Numbers 16:33 explicitly say the earth close over them, where 250 + Korah perished in Sheol.

Man, dad. You really should go back to Sunday school that you would forget this incident.

You should know the story better than I do, because I haven't read Numbers in years.

If you want to get to a preachin, you should learn something of what you are saying. There was a place below the earth where souls of men used to wait. As for the guys that died in the pit that opened up you referred to, it should be understood that the souls of those men did not stay some few feet under the earth! Ha. Their dead bodies may have.