Louisiana Law To Ban Sex With Animals

[bobhikes]

It wins Senate vote 25 - 10

"The state Senate has approved a bill designed to make it clear that bestiality is illegal in Louisiana.

A law on the books prohibits "crimes against nature," but it also outlaws so-called sodomy and was ruled unconstitutional in 2003.

New Orleans Senator JP Morrell says it's important that the state has a way to arrest someone for having sex with animals."
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But with almost 30% (10) of the senators voting against the bill, there must be something to be said for bestiality. That it isn't important that the state have a way to arrest someone for having sex with animals.

Question: What do you think can be said for bestiality? OR, if you prefer, tell us what's wrong with it.

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Yuck and unnecessary sums up my opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd expect RF's squirrels, raccoons, corvids, bears, canines, felines, monkeys,
& other beasts (rough, souching & otherwise) to weigh in on this thread.

 

[Sunstone]

Question: What do you think can be said for bestiality? OR, if you prefer, tell us what's wrong with it..

Interspecies mating has been observed at times in the wild, say between a chimpanzee and a baboon. Some observers have reported that it appears consensual. But unless one argues that humans should take their moral cues from chimps and baboons, interspecies mating in nature is not a very compelling argument for allowing it in humans -- even if it could somehow be determined to be consensual.

 

[suncowiam]

I wouldn't be too terribly upset if meat disappeared from our shelves, but I won't pretend the utility, consequence or investment in becoming a meatless society is anywhere near being a society that doesn't allow beastiality. Making one contingent on the other would be irrational.

I just gave you examples of things you can't do, which you ignored. You're giving me examples of things we can as if either I would be okay with them or that I think those need to be resolved first before we can discuss other animal welfare concerns.

I have a feeling this is going down the same road of 'if you allow cars you must allow guns.'

It didn't suggest that in order to have sex with animals that we also had to kill them.

This is not a requirement. That is irrational to suggest.

It is about relevance and relativity. You could suggest that we can be a meatless society but we're not. I highly doubt that we will ever become a meatless society. So how relevant is it that we can kill animals for food when discussing having sex with animals? There is no contingency between the two.

You say it's morally wrong yet society has already suggested that it's morally right to kill animals at least for sustenance. But let's not kid ourselves, most of the time, meat is for pleasures of the appetite. Is there relevance between the two, or moral equivalence?

There doesn't to be from the perspective of sex versus food. What about the perspective of simply pleasure? What if it only boiled down to satisfying a human emotion?

Again, I don't care to have sex with animals but I'm already enjoying the taste of animals with much pleasure so who am I to go high horsing on someone else?

 

[David1967]

It wins Senate vote 25 - 10

"The state Senate has approved a bill designed to make it clear that bestiality is illegal in Louisiana.

A law on the books prohibits "crimes against nature," but it also outlaws so-called sodomy and was ruled unconstitutional in 2003.

New Orleans Senator JP Morrell says it's important that the state has a way to arrest someone for having sex with animals."
source
​

But with almost 30% (10) of the senators voting against the bill, there must be something to be said for bestiality. That it isn't important that the state have a way to arrest someone for having sex with animals.

Question: What do you think can be said for bestiality? OR, if you prefer, tell us what's wrong with it.

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Haven't you started threads on this subject before?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Oh

There goes my Thursdays.....

Oh...you just reminded me of a joke!

"A man has a heart attack, dies immediately. He goes to hell.

When he wakes up, he goes up to this one guy and says, "Hey man, where am I?"

"You died, and you're in hell."

The man says, "What!? I'M IN HELL!?!!"

The guy replies, "Relax! Hell ain't all that bad! D'you like to drink?"

"Yeah, I love drinkin'."

"Then you're gonna love Mondays! Monday's drinkin' day. We got anything you want...scotch, whiskey, vodka, the best beer. You don't have to worry about cirrhosis of the liver or anything, cuz you're already dead."

The man says, "Wow, that sounds great."

"It is great. Do you like to smoke?"

"Yes, I really do."

"Well, you'll love Tuesdays...Tuesday's smokin' day. We got the best Cuban cigars, any tobacco blend you want! And you never have to worry 'bout dyin' of cancer, cuz you're dead!"

"This is sounding good!" the man replies.

"You ever do drugs?"

"Yes, I do."

Well you'll love Wednesday, cuz Wednesday is drug day. The best heroin, crack, LSD, anything. All day and never worry about ODing, cuz you're already dead."

The man says, "This place sounds like heaven!"

The guy laughs and says, "Yeah, it is great down here. Tell me, you ever gamble?"

"Oh Yes, quite a bit!"

"Well then, you're gonna love Thursdays! Poker, KENO, Roulette tables, horse races with even Secretariat and Seabiscuit...the best gambling ever!"

The man is so excited! "Oh, I can't wait!"

The guy says, "Yes, it's amazing here! Are you gay?"

Startled, the man answers, "No, man! I ain't gay!"

The guy replies, "Oh....well, you're gonna hate Fridays!"

 

[David1967]

I'm trying to wonder what in sam hill is going on in Louisiana that is necessitating the Drafting and approval of such a bill.

I was wondering that myself. They must have a problem with it there for it to make it to the desk of lawmakers.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It didn't suggest that in order to have sex with animals that we also had to kill them.

I didn't mean to suggest you did. Sorry if it came out that way. What I did mean is:

It is about relevance and relativity

If we are talking about individual decisions, I actually think eating meat is unethical for the vast majority of people. Who are, like you said, doing it for personal pleasure regardless of the unnecessary suffering it causes. But talking about setting ethical policy, I think that it would be easier and more cost effective to get rid of things like bestiality or animal abuse before the meat industry as a whole, which has much more involvement with jobs and communities which rely on them, industry that uses animal product which is part of everyday modern living, economy (import/export), providing balanced nutrition to those without access to a purely vegetaian diet, etc.

In other words, even though I don't personally approve of meat eating, I can't justify that the circumstances which allow meat eating and bestiality are equivocal. The wrong of meat eating in my view doesn't make the right of bestiality.

 

[BSM1]

Of course, your wife now is confronted with being arrested!!! I would love to see that conversation."Thursday's are over I can't get naked with you it's now against the law. Although you can still play guitar in the band".''

Stop reading my mail...

 

[Skwim]

I just gave you examples of things you can't do, which you ignored.

No I didn't. Besides your examples of what we cant do, you also said, "We can slaughter animals for food but we can't do anything with animals." What does "we can't do anything with animals" mean other than, aside from use as food, there is nothing we can do with animals?

If I said "we can't do anything with X" wouldn't you take it as meaning, there is nothing we can do with X? If not, why no?

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[Estro Felino]

Question: What do you think can be said for bestiality? OR, if you prefer, tell us what's wrong with it.

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Well...I think people tend to have sex with the beings they identify with...
So...I don't care if they go into heat and mate with their own kind...

 

[Skwim]

Interspecies mating has been observed at times in the wild, say between a chimpanzee and a baboon. Some observers have reported that it appears consensual. But unless one argues that humans should take their moral cues from chimps and baboons, interspecies mating in nature is not a very compelling argument for allowing it in humans -- even if it could somehow be determined to be consensual.

How about a lack of reason for preventing them as a compelling argument?

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[ADigitalArtist]

No I didn't. Besides your examples of what we cant do, you also said, "We can slaughter animals for food but we can't do anything with animals." What does "we can't do anything with animals" mean other than, aside from use as food, there is nothing we can do with animals?

If I said "we can't do anything with X" wouldn't you take it as meaning, there is nothing we can do with X? If not, why no?

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No, I would take it to mean just because we can do some things doesn't mean we can do anything. As in having animals in our society does not give one license to do all things with them. Some things are prohibited.
This was only meant to be in response to the idea that because the law sometimes treats animals as property doesn't mean there aren't also laws against animal abuse.

 

[Skwim]

Haven't you started threads on this subject before?

Yes I have, but most likely with an almost a whole different group of members here. And considering the number of posts up to now, 32, it appears to be welcomed. So I'm fine with it. Watch for a repeat in a few years. . . . . or not.

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[Skwim]

No, I would take it to mean just because we can do some things doesn't mean we can do anything. As in having animals in our society does not give one license to do all things with them. Some things are prohibited.
This was only meant to be in response to the idea that because the law sometimes treats animals as property doesn't mean there aren't also laws against animal abuse.

And indeed there are. What I find hypocritical are arguments that bestiality amounts to cruelty to animals when at the same time such people have no problem with whipping horses, forcing dogs to run long and hard in snow and cold, bull fighting, and even using them to pull recreational vehicles.

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[Subduction Zone]

And indeed there are. What I find hypocritical are arguments that bestiality amounts to cruelty to animals when at the same time such people have no problem with whipping horses, forcing dogs to run long and hard in snow and cold, bull fighting, and even using them to pull recreational vehicles.

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Interesting point. Since very few animals are harmed even that much by bestiality it is obviously not for the animals protection and more of a matter of a massive "Yuck" reaction by others. I still and will always have a massive "Yuck" reaction. But let's put that aside for now. I mentioned Enumclaw Man:

Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia

The horse involved went through no real discomfort. If anything it would have been similar to what occurs in some artificial breeding programs. So thought there can be no informed consent from animals it appears that we normally do not require it.


I will have to think about this a bit since I have no answer right now besides:

Yuck

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And indeed there are. What I find hypocritical are arguments that bestiality amounts to cruelty to animals when at the same time such people have no problem with whipping horses, forcing dogs to run long and hard in snow and cold, bull fighting, and even using them to pull recreational vehicles.
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I'm against all those things except maybe the latter depending on the circumstance and context. But I would treat those all as seperate issues.

Edit: Incidentally I'm also against keeping standard breeds at all, for reasons of genetic bottlenecking and hardwiring traits which are detrimental to animals for 'style' as an almost horrible fashionable eugenics. But that's also a subject for another day. xD

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I was wondering that myself. They must have a problem with it there for it to make it to the desk of lawmakers.

Yeah....and 10 didn't approve it!

(Of course, maybe the writers of that bill added other things to it as is done a lot, that could be it.... I hope.)

 

[Axe Elf]

A taxidermist from the north was visiting Louisiana, and hanging out in a local bar to get a little local flavor and enjoy a couple of brews. The local rednecks were naturally suspicious of a stranger, but one of them eventually approached the new guy.

"What do you do for a living?" the redneck asked.

"I mount animals," replied the taxidermist.

"Heck boys!" yelled the redneck, "He's one of us!"

 

[Mock Turtle]

Animals are properties...

I hope that was not for real. Where did this notion come from? Monkey is most disconcerted!

Shouldn't that be, animals have properties ...