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"Love thy enemy": Some thoughts on Paris

IndigoStorm

Member
Lets look at from a neutral position. France is throwing bombs on ISIS, ISIS attacks France in return. Nothing to do with Islaam, everything to do with simple warfare.

What you really saying is like "You hit me first so I'll hit you back." It isn't that simple by a long chalk. ISIS wants to impose Sharia Law ... the law of Islam on the rest of humanity. So how the hell is it "nothing to do with Islaam? (sic)
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Of course the followers of ISIS/ISIL do the killing but they are simply agents of Islam aka religion. Religion per se is to blame for 99.99% of the killings perpetrated by ISIS/ISIL.

Prove me wrong.

If your going to use this argument you could say that about every extremist group and their religion or ideology. christians,jews,atheists,budhists etc.

There will always be a group of extremists who want to use their religion or ideology in a way that they can benefit and achieve their political agenda.
 

IndigoStorm

Member
If your going to use this argument you could say that about every extremist group and their religion or ideology. christians,jews,atheists,budhists etc.

There will always be a group of extremists who want to use their religion or ideology in a way that they can benefit and achieve their political agenda.

However at this point in time only ISIS/ISIL is vile.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
What you really saying is like "You hit me first so I'll hit you back." It isn't that simple by a long chalk. ISIS wants to impose Sharia Law ... the law of Islam on the rest of humanity. So how the hell is it "nothing to do with Islaam? (sic)
The attack in Paris has nothing to do with Sharia, Islaam. As i said, it has everything to do with simple WARFARE.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
There are no such things as accidents. Killing a million people is called genocide not an accident.


Stalin:

One death is a tragedy and 1 million is a statistic.
Except that it wasn't a million. Also, if the US wanted to commit genocide, we would just do it. It's not like anyone could really stop us. But we haven't and we even help civilians in those areas. Isn't that interesting. :rolleyes:
 

Useless2015

Active Member
Except that it wasn't a million. Also, if the US wanted to commit genocide, we would just do it. It's not like anyone could really stop us. But we haven't and we even help civilians in those areas. Isn't that interesting. :rolleyes:
You're right, it far exceeds a million. And you keep in denial, and point your fingers at Islaam or Muslims. What goes around comes back around evuantally. If you are under the impression you can massacre over a million people without any consequences, you are horribly wrong:)
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
You're right, it far exceeds a million. And you keep in denial, and point your fingers at Islaam or Muslims. What goes around comes back around evuantally. If you are under the impression you can massacre over a million people without any consequences, you are horribly wrong:)
No, the most plausible estimates are around 400,000. Keep in mind that that includes civilians killed in sectarian violence between warring Iraqi groups.

I see that you support the jihadist murder of innocent people in the West. Nice to know. Perhaps the site staff can forward your IP details to the proper authorities.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
the problem is, that the notion of a "social contract" is typically western one, as it relies on the idea that people have free will and therefore ultimately must consent to a culture, ideology or system of government.

No, I disagree. As I said, it's something your born into. It's actually the west that introduced quite an alien idea that this might be questioned, that the different freedoms might be viable. However, even the west can't seem to escape the idea of a social contract. I am born American. There is a certain way Americans tend to act, just like with anyone else. One typically doesn't 'give consent' at every stage in their development in a culture, just like one doesn't spit out their food.
 

Shusha

Member
The attack in Paris has nothing to do with Sharia, Islaam. As i said, it has everything to do with simple WARFARE.

The attacks by ISIS have everything to do with Islam. They are attempting to bring about religious prophecies by drawing the West into a war which they believe with religious fervor that they are going to win. The goal is to assert Sharia law over the world.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
No, the most plausible estimates are around 400,000. Keep in mind that that includes civilians killed in sectarian violence between warring Iraqi groups.

I see that you support the jihadist murder of innocent people in the West. Nice to know. Perhaps the site staff can forward your IP details to the proper authorities.
Where did i express my support to IS? I find IS just as vile as America and Europe.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Lets look at from a neutral position. France is throwing bombs on ISIS, ISIS attacks France in return. Nothing to do with Islaam, everything to do with simple warfare.

And continuing this neutral position, let's compare what was attacked.

ISIS bombed a concert hall, a stadium, and two restaurants.

France bombed an army command center, a jihadi recruitment center, a terrorist training camp, and an ammunition storage base.

What can we say about each side's choice of targets? Is there moral equivalency?
 

Useless2015

Active Member
The attacks by ISIS have everything to do with Islam. They are attempting to bring about religious prophecies by drawing the West into a war which they believe with religious fervor that they are going to win. The goal is to assert Sharia law over the world.
Were you living under a rock for the past 2 years? The West has been bombing IS with God knows how much bombs and you expect IS to do nothing in return?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Yes, that evil American military is committing genocide against the Iraqi people. Just look!

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Oh, hell: here's a whole page of documented evidence of US genocide against Iraqi Muslims. It's so terrible, so be forewarned!

http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/11/16/americas-aggression-against-muslims-confirmed/


:eek::mad:

:rolleyes:
 
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