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Love your enemies

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
if you cannot see the difference, I probably cannot
tell you. Try working it out.
It is real obvious.

Dogs arm people. People do.
We are more harsh on people than we are on dogs yet both can do the same thing.

So, it must be much deeper than harming oneself or others to call them an enemy.

Wouldn't they both be considered enemies if they both harm others or oneself?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I don't have any enemies now,there was a time when I had shared enemies but anyone who's worn a uniform gets those.

I only see the use of the word "enemy" as someone or a group who mean you harm.

Can you see yourself as someone else's enemy, though?

I know many people call others an enemy without needing to harm them or harm others. I'm sure there is something deeper than one's behavior.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Can you see yourself as someone else's enemy, though?

I know many people call others an enemy without needing to harm them or harm others. I'm sure there is something deeper than one's behavior.

I could see myself as a potential enemy during the cold war,the Russians in East Germany and us in the west,loaded guns NBC suits and gas masks but its not personal.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Dogs arm people. People do.
We are more harsh on people than we are on dogs yet both can do the same thing.

So, it must be much deeper than harming oneself or others to call them an enemy.

Wouldn't they both be considered enemies if they both harm others or oneself?

I did suggest you think about it, and, at the expense of
being a bit harsh, it seems to me you have been presenting
as one who has studied, thought things through, and
are om a position to inform and correct others.

Give it some thought, or not. But there is a huge difference.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I did suggest you think about it, and, at the expense of
being a bit harsh, it seems to me you have been presenting
as one who has studied, thought things through, and
are om a position to inform and correct others.

Give it some thought, or not. But there is a huge difference.

No. The thread isn't haphazard. I don't see the difference between a person and a dog harming someone. We just have more issues with humans. Can't think of another example but a dog. The point is still the same.

If you don't mean the difference between dogs harming people vs humans, I'm not sure where you're going.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The difference as I said is that people are worse than any
animal.
I do no advocate for matching cruelty for cruelty, but!

I had to look back. Memory is shot. I can't see the difference. Harm is harm.

Why would a human be more worthy of our disrespect than an animal?

Thinking about it "again" won't change what I'm asking. Can you clarify why humans are worse off than animals when they both have the ability to harm other people?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I had to look back. Memory is shot. I can't see the difference. Harm is harm.

Why would a human be more worthy of our disrespect than an animal?

Thinking about it "again" won't change what I'm asking. Can you clarify why humans are worse off than animals when they both have the ability to harm other people?

I did not say humans are "worse off". That may be
part of your inability to work t his through.

Lets try a rephrase. People who do deliberate harm are
are lower than any animal.


As for explain why?
No, I wont. If you cannot figure it out, you cannot.
It is, though, stone obvious.
So you might take your failure in hand, and see
if it maybe says something about your other failures
to get what is being said here.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
No. The thread isn't haphazard. I don't see the difference between a person and a dog harming someone. We just have more issues with humans. Can't think of another example but a dog. The point is still the same.

If you don't mean the difference between dogs harming people vs humans, I'm not sure where you're going.

I in no way said or implied that the thread is haphazard.
How you come up with that may be a Mystery of Nature.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I did not say humans are "worse off". That may be
part of your inability to work t his through.

Lets try a rephrase. People who do deliberate harm are
are lower than any animal.


As for explain why?
No, I wont. If you cannot figure it out, you cannot.
It is, though, stone obvious.
So you might take your failure in hand, and see
if it maybe says something about your other failures
to get what is being said here.

That way of thinking doesn't make sense. It reminds me of religious, "if you don't get it, then you will never know." It makes everyone who does not have your train of thinking is not worth your explanation.

I've been a teacher and I am one to explain things (well, I try to keep it short) because I know people don't see "common sense" as I do. For example, I believe it is common sense that people should love other people as human beings. Since it's not about me, if someone challenges me with it, I can clarify how I feel without blaming them for "not getting it" type of thing. It's a sour thought mindset, and I'm just being blunt, not helpful in communication.


Lets try a rephrase. People who do deliberate harm are are lower than any animal.

With that said, I do not agree. That does not mean I do not understand you. It means I am having a full conversation of why and how you think this way. It's challenging me to think differently than I would if I were in my own little bubble.

So. Since people and humans can do harm, I see no difference. If a dog killed me and a human killed me, the result is the same. So, in both cases, I will not treat the dog any "nicer" than I would a human that is a threat to my life. I see them just the same in those regards.

I'm not animal lover by no means. I do believe (psychological standpoint as well) that we are social beings. We tend to help each other automatically when we see someone in danger. That's what I experienced and observed. We don't have to call that love (if that's a trigger word/my words) but it is still love (maybe unconditional, I don't know) nonetheless. Love for humanity or however one would phrase it.

To continue, because of the above, I feel enemy is a strong word. I don't know if I'm "able" to love someone who harmed me but it is not my morals. I think there's a difference between not liking (my words) someone because they harm you (plural/people in general) out of automatic response to survival than it is as being part of your (people's) values.

If it's an automatic response to survival and calling someone enemy is how one responses, that's fine. Actually having that as your (people's) values and morals is what I'm getting at.

Different views doesn't mean I don't understand you. I just like to understand other people's point of view on things even we understand stuff different.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You can skim. It's for your information. The general consensus is:

Edit. My words meaning I'm rephrasing what I think you're saying not putting words in your mouth

1. Just because we have a challenging convo doesn't mean I disagree or don't understand you

Lets try a rephrase. People who do deliberate harm are lower than any animal.

2. I get that. I don't agree. I feel humans and dogs do the same thing. They can harm me so I do not see humans any more of a threat (my words) than a dog

3. As a result, I see love for human beings despite their actions. It's a psychological thing and it is part of my values

4. Yes, people have automatic responses to being harmed and call people enemies because of it, that doesn't mean it would be their values (well, in my case, no. Some people [I mean some] people are different)

That is okay.

Just trying to understand that point of view not your language.
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
You get my point?

Not sure really, unconditional love of humans?,I don't get that,maybe I'm mysanthropic,animals, like bears, in some circumstances will be your enemy if your stupid enough to leave food that they can scent around but they just want to eat whereas humans just want to harm or kill with a set aim.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Not sure really, unconditional love of humans?,I don't get that,maybe I'm mysanthropic,animals, like bears, in some circumstances will be your enemy if your stupid enough to leave food that they can scent around but they just want to eat whereas humans just want to harm or kill with a set aim.

Do you want to harm or kill (hypothetical)?
 
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