love your enemy

[Fool]

Forgiveness is higher than justice

Nope, forgiveness is from the victim's aspect and not the perpetrator's. remorse, or recompense, requires something from the perpetrator.

as is given:

Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


the Law requires that each must meet what she/he sowed.

 

[rusra02]

you imply your bible is not realistic. it cannot be applied in the common situation.

On the contrary, I believe the Bible provides the very best wisdom to deal with every situation. Realistically, no one today can prevent all tragedy and suffering, and I believe it is unwise to think that we can. Our hope lies in our Creator resolving the situation, once and for all.

 

[rusra02]

How exactly?

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For example, if someone is seeking to harm you, you could walk or run away. Often, it is possible to simply talk to an antagonistic person to defuse a tense situation. If this is not possible you could restrain him so he is unable to cause damage. If such an attacker is injured, this would be unintentional and the fault of the attacker. Loving your neighbor as yourself means you properly love yourself and do not want to be injured, nor to injure another, IMO.

 

[RRex]

love your enemy

Candidly, it is not in my nature to hug someone who has treated me like c***.

 

[Godobeyer]

I could never imagine what that would be like because I've never been in such a horrible situation. all I could do is point to what Jesus said and he said to forgive.

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I believe that you said that "he said love your enemy" NOT "forgive your enemy" , these are two different things

btw you can forgive your enemy but you don't have to love him .

 

[use_your_brain]

On the contrary, I believe the Bible provides the very best wisdom to deal with every situation. Realistically, no one today can prevent all tragedy and suffering, and I believe it is unwise to think that we can. Our hope lies in our Creator resolving the situation, once and for all.

and what if your country get invaded what should the state do to deal with the invaders? By letting them taking over the whole country without any resisting from the folk? It is what your Bible teaches?

 

[truelight Mike]

and what if your country get invaded what should the state do to deal with the invaders? By letting them taking over the whole country without any resisting from the folk? It is what your Bible teaches?

Even if we lose our lives, there is a bigger picture

 

[Deeje]

Even if we lose our lives, there is a bigger picture

Sadly not all professed believers take this position. They don't know that there are worse things than losing one's present life.

 

[rusra02]

and what if your country get invaded what should the state do to deal with the invaders? By letting them taking over the whole country without any resisting from the folk? It is what your Bible teaches?

What each state or government does is their choice and responsibility. Jesus said of his true followers: "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." Jesus did not become embroiled in the political wranglings of his day, nor did he accept being drafted into political office.(John 6:15) I believe true Christians must not share in the bloodshed and slaughter engaged in by the nations. True Christians love their neighbor as they love themselves.

 

[use_your_brain]

What each state or government does is their choice and responsibility. Jesus said of his true followers: "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." Jesus did not become embroiled in the political wranglings of his day, nor did he accept being drafted into political office.(John 6:15) I believe true Christians must not share in the bloodshed and slaughter engaged in by the nations. True Christians love their neighbor as they love themselves.

then the government may commit the unbiblical action and your Jesus has no problem with it? you imply Christianity has nothing to do with the state policies.
Christianity is not suitable as the divine system for the fitted state and has no place on the constitution and formal jurisprudence. Christianity doesn't govern the society in the wide domain such state, it is only prevail for silent individual.

 

[Forgemaster]

On the contrary, I believe the Bible provides the very best wisdom to deal with every situation. Realistically, no one today can prevent all tragedy and suffering, and I believe it is unwise to think that we can. Our hope lies in our Creator resolving the situation, once and for all.

Well your "creator" isn't very good at his job. The bible teaches that you have to let people walk all over you so every time you defend yourself you are "sinning" are you not?

 

[rusra02]

then the government may commit the unbiblical action and your Jesus has no problem with it? you imply Christianity has nothing to do with the state policies.
Christianity is not suitable as the divine system for the fitted state and has no place on the constitution and formal jurisprudence. Christianity doesn't govern the society in the wide domain such state, it is only prevail for silent individual.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for God's will to be done on earth. (Matthew 6:9,10) I believe God's Kingdom government will forcibly remove all present governments. (Daniel 2:44) As Jesus said, "my kingdom is no part of this world." His Kingdom ruled from heaven will finally unite all mankind, IMO.

 

[rusra02]

Well your "creator" isn't very good at his job. The bible teaches that you have to let people walk all over you so every time you defend yourself you are "sinning" are you not?

The Bible doesn't teach "that you have to let people walk all over you so every time you defend yourself you are "sinning"."
Early Christians used the Laws and courts to defend their rights. But they never used violence.

 

[viole]

Jesus taught his disciples to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for God's will to be done on earth. (Matthew 6:9,10) I believe God's Kingdom government will forcibly remove all present governments. (Daniel 2:44) As Jesus said, "my kingdom is no part of this world." His Kingdom ruled from heaven will finally unite all mankind, IMO.

The question is why He needs to forcibly remove those governments, if His will is done on earth. Did He will them, and now no more?

Ciao

- viole

 

[outhouse]

But to give to, to help, to forgive, to love those who are against you or hate you or hurting you seems to be the highest thing I could imagine a person could do

We are not even sure that is a teaching of Jesus. A man who goes in to the temple at Passover when tensions are high and tries to start a riot, that had in the past killed tens of thousands of people. This could have very well been and act of rebellion that had failed.

We also know the Hellenistic NT authors were writing to and for a Roman audience, they did NOT want o be identifies as rebellious Jews or trouble makers. SO there was quite the need to paint the movement as a peace loving movement so the Romans would not crush them.

 

[outhouse]

Is there any teaching higher than the teaching of Jesus to love your enemy?

This parable needs to be understood in context. Not used as a wide overall law one must follow.

It factually does not nor cannot be applied to todays life and used in full

 

[truelight Mike]

We are not even sure that is a teaching of Jesus. A man who goes in to the temple at Passover when tensions are high and tries to start a riot, that had in the past killed tens of thousands of people. This could have very well been and act of rebellion that had failed.

We also know the Hellenistic NT authors were writing to and for a Roman audience, they did NOT want o be identifies as rebellious Jews or trouble makers. SO there was quite the need to paint the movement as a peace loving movement so the Romans would not crush them.

It is still the highest teaching I've ever seen. I think it's from God.
Jesus modeled it at the cross.
I believe He wants His followers to do the same.

 

[truelight Mike]

This parable needs to be understood in context. Not used as a wide overall law one must follow.

It factually does not nor cannot be applied to todays life and used in full

He did not include any exceptions that I can see. Nor time restraints. The stakes for living this way were just as high then as they are now.

 

[outhouse]

Jesus modeled it at the cross.

Does not have any historicity.

I believe He wants His followers to do the same.

You have faith, which is fine. But lets not confuse faith with knowledge or history.

It is still the highest teaching I've ever seen

And you studied this deeper you would find the only reason you are alive today is because we have not turned our backs on our enemies.

You owe your life to those who did not use this text the way you interpret it.

I think it's from God

Think what you want but factually only men wrote these words. And we often know exactly why, and they are all human based needs with human origins.

 

[outhouse]

He did not include any exceptions that I can see

HE did not write a single word ever.

Not only that EVERY author of the NT text, never witnessed or heard a single word Jesus ever said. Most wrote decades after his death from another part of the world by a completely different culture writing text for their own needs.

Jesus was an Aramaic Galilean Jew, he taught Judaism he learned from John.

He had no part in any NT theology other then being martyred after his death