love your enemy

[sandy whitelinger]

Is there any teaching higher than the teaching of Jesus to love your enemy?

I think that if one has love it is not conditional. There should be no difference between loving your enemy or your friend. But I also think that Jesus said that to love God is the greatest (highest?) commandment.

 

[truelight Mike]

Question for Christians.

Why would a Christian love his enemies when god doesn't love his enemies?

Is there an exclusion that god does not have to love his enemies while christians do?

The whole Bible is full of God reaching out to his people trying to get them to live holy lives and then his creations constantly choosing wickedness instead. He has been more than patient with all humans. According to the Bible man has debt to Satan and to death because of choosing sin over righteousness. God has constantly been calling people to turn from sin to righteousness. I don't understand it all but Jesus death on the cross made it possible for us to not have to pay that debt if we would choose righteousness. If we are God's enemies it's because we chose to be. If we end up in Hell it is because we chose to go that way. He's been more than patient. Jesus gave his life so that you would have a chance to be reconciled to your Creator. Jesus did that even for his enemies. He is the perfect example of loving your enemy . If God is good then we can trust that judgement day will be fair and right. We have a chance right now to choose life but then it will be too late and we will receive according to how we chose to live. None of that will be God's fault it will all hang on our choices.

 

[truelight Mike]

Examining Eve's mistake, the woman's head covering, modesty, and Paul's teaching on women keeping silent

this looks more the church of monthy python to me.

you preach love your enemies but you can't even respect your women, i smell another misogynistic group in disguise here

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/women.html

I know that is really countercultural but it's right. I love my wife and I love my daughters. My wife read in the New Testament where it says a woman with a meek and quiet spirit is of much value to God. She wants to please God like a daughter wants to please her father. It is a blessing for a wife to support and help her husband and allow him to lead the family. It is a blessing to me that my wife dresses modestly. Today things that are good are called bad and things that are bad are called good

 

[cambridge79]

I know that is really countercultural but it's right. I love my wife and I love my daughters. My wife read in the New Testament where it says a woman with a meek and quiet spirit is of much value to God. She wants to please God like a daughter wants to please her father. It is a blessing for a wife to support and help her husband and allow him to lead the family. It is a blessing to me that my wife dresses modestly. Today things that are good are called bad and things that are bad are called good

yes and misoginistic views are called the word of the lord, so don't think you're special when put under your lens. this is just the ancient art of cherry picking, you just pick different cherries.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The whole Bible is full of God reaching out to his people trying to get them to live holy lives and then his creations constantly choosing wickedness instead. He has been more than patient with all humans. According to the Bible man has debt to Satan and to death because of choosing sin over righteousness. God has constantly been calling people to turn from sin to righteousness. I don't understand it all but Jesus death on the cross made it possible for us to not have to pay that debt if we would choose righteousness. If we are God's enemies it's because we chose to be. If we end up in Hell it is because we chose to go that way. He's been more than patient. Jesus gave his life so that you would have a chance to be reconciled to your Creator. Jesus did that even for his enemies. He is the perfect example of loving your enemy . If God is good then we can trust that judgement day will be fair and right. We have a chance right now to choose life but then it will be too late and we will receive according to how we chose to live. None of that will be God's fault it will all hang on our choices.

You dont see the contradiction between god killing people and planning to judge people who dont believe in him?

 

[cambridge79]

You dont see the contradiction between god killing people and planning to judge people who dont believe in him?

you may want me to ask your questions for you, you know you're a woman and therefore supposed to stay silent, you know, you don't want to upset the lord don't you?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

you may want me to ask your questions for you, you know you're a woman and therefore supposed to stay silent, you know....

Okay? Can you answer the question? I have my own views but I am not a christian; so, Id trust a christians answer about her own faith and not my interpretation when it is not mine

 

[cambridge79]

truelight the humble meek quiet woman here wants to know if You dont see the contradiction between god killing people and planning to judge people who dont believe in him?

 

[Fool]

Is there any teaching higher than the teaching of Jesus to love your enemy?

jesus said that there was no greater love than that of a friend, who would lay down his life for another. this is basically altruism. we find our higher self in love; which is loving other self as self, or service to others as self.

or recogning nuk pu nuk, I AM that I AM.

 

[Etritonakin]

What type of love does god have for his enemies to where he is excused of disobeying his own commandments? (sorry to put it bluntly; it is confusing)

It is understandable to be confused about it. The creation is now in a state of confusion -and God's actions will change that.

Human laws often apply to humans differently -depending on their position or other factors.
Police are not seen as being guilty of a crime if they break the speed limit, for example.
The whole situation needs to be considered.

The commandments were given to mankind by God -and the difference between mankind and God needs to be considered.

"Thou shalt not kill" is essentially a commandment God might seem to be breaking every time someone dies -because he specified that the soul that sins should die -and limited human years to about 120.
God is able to raise all from the dead.

When God kills, it is specifically toward -and with the intent of -changing the state of humans from mortal to immortal -in body and mind.

When humans kill -that is not the case.

He essentially takes us all out -then raises us all up.
It is also a temporary situation. When he has finished creating us as gods, he will no longer do the things which were once necessary to accomplish that.

Rom 12:17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord".

Just as the police can break the law without guilt -so can God -but God does so in order to correct evildoers -not simply to punish them.

Vengeance is God's because he can do it right. Anger is a force for change -and God is able to direct his anger appropriately.
Men would take their vengeance and be done with it.
Men might be satisfied with the knowledge that another "paid for what they did" -but God created a situation which necessitates that he do that which is extremely unpleasant to him for a time.
It actually pains God to mete out necessary vengeance -but he does so to bring about the end result -which will benefit all upon whom he takes vengeance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Even if men took vengeance with a different attitude, it would not be specifically ordered.
All of God's actions are based on the consideration of all things -and men are not able to do that.
It is also not good for the well-being or future of humans for to be vengeful -or to take vengeance -so God takes that upon himself.

Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

The vengeance of God will eventually save all -even from themselves and their own ways.

Christ will literally fight and destroy those who attempt to fight and destroy him at his return -but even those he will eventually raise up and give the opportunity
to live forever.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[Fool]

Mercy and forgiveness seems the better way

being merciful and forgiving is quite alright but that doesn't stop someone vented on killing. defense is allowable.

 

[rusra02]

and how to show the love to the person who want to kill us?

I think Jesus set the example. As they were fastening him to the torture stake, he prayed: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34)

 

[cambridge79]

I think Jesus set the example. As they were fastening him to the torture stake, he prayed: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34)

well, in the end it was easy for him. I mean, he was the son of god, he knew first hand what was waiting for him after his own death.
i don't believe in afterlife, therefore it would be pointless for me to sacrifice my life for the life of an enemy for such reason. I can do that for the life of a friend eventually, but why an enemy?
I can understand in some situation "love your enemy" may come handy for me too, but if we're talking about a life or death situation where he put me in, than between me and him, i pick me every single time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is understandable to be confused about it. The creation is now in a state of confusion -and God's actions will change that.

Human laws often apply to humans differently -depending on their position or other factors.
Police are not seen as being guilty of a crime if they break the speed limit, for example.
The whole situation needs to be considered.

The commandments were given to mankind by God -and the difference between mankind and God needs to be considered.

"Thou shalt not kill" is essentially a commandment God might seem to be breaking every time someone dies -because he specified that the soul that sins should die -and limited human years to about 120.
God is able to raise all from the dead.

When God kills, it is specifically toward -and with the intent of -changing the state of humans from mortal to immortal -in body and mind.

When humans kill -that is not the case.

He essentially takes us all out -then raises us all up.
It is also a temporary situation. When he has finished creating us as gods, he will no longer do the things which were once necessary to accomplish that.

Rom 12:17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord".

Just as the police can break the law without guilt -so can God -but God does so in order to correct evildoers -not simply to punish them.

Vengeance is God's because he can do it right. Anger is a force for change -and God is able to direct his anger appropriately.
Men would take their vengeance and be done with it.
Men might be satisfied with the knowledge that another "paid for what they did" -but God created a situation which necessitates that he do that which is extremely unpleasant to him for a time.
It actually pains God to mete out necessary vengeance -but he does so to bring about the end result -which will benefit all upon whom he takes vengeance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Even if men took vengeance with a different attitude, it would not be specifically ordered.
All of God's actions are based on the consideration of all things -and men are not able to do that.
It is also not good for the well-being or future of humans for to be vengeful -or to take vengeance -so God takes that upon himself.

Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

The vengeance of God will eventually save all -even from themselves and their own ways.

Christ will literally fight and destroy those who attempt to fight and destroy him at his return -but even those he will eventually raise up and give the opportunity
to live forever.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Those teachings dont jive with my inner senses. To kill in and of itself is wrong. Regardless of who and hownits justified.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is there any teaching higher than the teaching of Jesus to love your enemy?

Yes.
In Revoltifarianism, one owes one's enemy objective evaluation.
This best serves the decision on how to proceed.....negotiated peace, wary coexistence, or crushinating.
This is better than simplistic "love".

 

[Etritonakin]

truelight the humble meek quiet woman here wants to know if You dont see the contradiction between god killing people and planning to judge people who dont believe in him?

God cannot judge the dead while they are dead.
God essentially killed all of the dead, and will also raise them up and then judge them -so that they may live forever. That is what the judgment is toward.
He limited our years with the intent of raising us up immortal later.

His "judgment" will be according to works -not beliefs -and will accomplish what is necessary to make the works of all worthy of immortal life, so that eternity is not a huge mess.
His judgment is able to completely destroy any -and that is what would happen if absolutely necessary -but that is not to say it will happen -or that it will be absolutely necessary.
It is an ultimatum.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Those who do experience such will not be the innocently ignorant.

When it says that the fearful and unbelieving have their part (part, mind you) in the lake of fire -it is not referring to simple or innocent unbelief.
The words can be translated faithless and untrustworthy -and does not refer to those who have never heard of Christ -have been discouraged from even thinking about him by false representation, etc., etc.

 

[sun rise]

Those teachings dont jive with my inner senses. To kill in and of itself is wrong. Regardless of who and hownits justified.

So if a madman is killing your child and a building full of children, you'd let him do it rather than killing him to protect innocent lives?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So if a madman is killing your child and a building full of children, you'd let him do it rather than killing him to protect innocent lives?

Killing in and of itself is wrong no matter how its justified.

Letting him go or being preasured to kill him doesnt excuse that what I am doing is wrong. My protecting myself doesnt justify it as good just a necessity if the situation calls for it.

 

[Etritonakin]

Those teachings dont jive with my inner senses. To kill in and of itself is wrong. Regardless of who and hownits justified.

It should not jive with your inner senses -and that is actually the point of our present existence. A vacuum has been created for what should be. We now desire it -and we will be satisfied.

Those who initially had things as they should be rejected it -continually. They did not desire it.


If we say it is unfair that God kills -and that if God makes someone alive, they should remain alive -how would we feel about the results?
Would we want to live forever with all humans who have ever lived -if they were not changed?
If God temporarily causes a life to cease -and then makes that life begin again without them even knowing the passage of time while dead -and that can work toward removing evil from them -or moving the good to a better situation so as to endure evil as little as possible -is it not good?

God does not actually kill as humans kill. Humans cause people to cease to exist. God causes people to fall asleep and -from their perspective -immediately awaken to a better situation.

Is it unjustified if nature kills?

If we do not believe in a "God" who is responsible for death, we tend to simply accept that it is the natural order of things for life forms to die -and we do not blame nature -or we are less angry at nature than we would be at a God -because nature is not perceived to have made any decisions. What good would it do to complain?

With nature, you get nada, zip, zilch........ but with God, you get to live forever in a universe which will then be as it should be.

However... it is good that we think things should be different. They should be -and they will be.
Now that we see what should be -and will not reject it when we receive it, God will essentially say that we are absolutely correct -and fix everything. He'll be glad we finally see it his way -the right way.
He will raise the dead -make them perfect -and heal all that has been harmed -and we will not make these mistakes again.

We should all live forever in peace and happiness -but, in order to make that happen, we have to undergo the process which will cause us all to think and act correctly -to create and maintain happiness.

We should all have bodies which do not die. This also will happen, but we need to understand that the transition from this mortal body to an immortal body includes what we call "death".

This body dies. We sleep. We awake and are changed. (Some will be made human again first -but that is another subject)

I hope God kills me soon!

 

[Fool]

Killing in and of itself is wrong no matter how its justified.

Letting him go or being preasured to kill him doesnt excuse that what I am doing is wrong. My protecting myself doesnt justify it as good just a necessity if the situation calls for it.

killing is not necessary. not speaking of an eye for an eye but a vicious animal must be controlled. as a reminder, it is written, he who lives by the sword shall die by it.

for every action there is an opposite but equal reaction and that is karma