No, it says "honor your father and mother". (It also says "love your neighbor as yourself". Scripture doesn't need to be amended.
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Love your parents, says Bible. Why?
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We are all capable of murder??? Where does that come from???
Elihoenai
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Matthew 12:33
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matthew 12:33
33 `Either make the tree good, and its fruit good, or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad, for from the fruit is the tree known.
@Maninthemiddle Speaks of the Natural Man who is a Murderer having the Devil/Satan as his Father. With All these Different Religions and Different Denominations within the Religions Essentially there are Only Two Paths. The Two Paths are the Right-Hand Path and the Left-Hand Path. Every person is born Worshipping the Satan/Devil on the Left-Hand Path.
Elohim/God Enlightens the Two Spiritual Paths Embodied in Two Sisters in the movie The Sin Seer. This is the Real Secret War that has been ongoing for thousands of years. Everything else is a Lie:
The Sin Seer - OFFICIAL TRAILER
The Sin Seer
Rose Ricard has a gift, she can see into your soul. She can discern the truth from a lie and sometimes, she can perceive the very thoughts before they are formed in your mind. She uses these gifts to solve unsolved cases and bring closure where there is none. Her most recent case, unwittingly opens the doors to her own past and that of her new partner Grant Summit.
Maninthemiddle
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Why are you posting quotes from the Book of Matthew, that means nothing to me and has no relevance here.Matthew 12:33
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matthew 12:33
33 `Either make the tree good, and its fruit good, or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad, for from the fruit is the tree known.
@Maninthemiddle Speaks of the Natural Man who is a Murderer having the Devil/Satan as his Father. With All these Different Religions and Different Denominations within the Religions Essentially there are Only Two Paths. The Two Paths are the Right-Hand Path and the Left-Hand Path. Every person is born Worshipping the Satan/Devil on the Left-Hand Path.
Elohim/God Enlightens the Two Spiritual Paths Embodied in Two Sisters in the movie The Sin Seer. This is the Real Secret War that has been ongoing for thousands of years. Everything else is a Lie:
The Sin Seer - OFFICIAL TRAILER
The Sin Seer
Rose Ricard has a gift, she can see into your soul. She can discern the truth from a lie and sometimes, she can perceive the very thoughts before they are formed in your mind. She uses these gifts to solve unsolved cases and bring closure where there is none. Her most recent case, unwittingly opens the doors to her own past and that of her new partner Grant Summit.
Maninthemiddle
Active Member
Common sense
Also, Jesus gives us the New Commandment found at John 13:34-35
We are now to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has
In other words, we are Now to love nighbor more than self, more than the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18
Matthew 19:29 is No mystery because it is in connection to being a missionary.Jesus actually taught to abandon them. Tough love, probably. Probably another mystery of the faith
Matthew 19:29
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Ciao
- viole
Missionaries leave the comforts of home and family to serve where there is a greater need to do the work of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
I suppose one could think of missionaries as being full-time in the preaching/teaching work Jesus started - Matthew 28:18-20
Elihoenai
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You still have not answered the All-Important Critical Question. Do you you believe in Elohim/God? Are you afraid to affirm whether you believe in Elohim/God or not? I assume that you @Maninthemiddle are an Atheist.
Creator in Buddhism
Generally speaking, Buddhism is a religion that does not include the belief in a monotheistic creator deity.[1][2][3] As such, it has often been described as either (non-materialistic) atheism or as nontheism, though these descriptions have been challenged by other scholars, since some forms of Buddhism do posit different kinds of transcendent, unborn, and unconditioned ultimate realities (e.g., Buddha-nature).
Creator in Buddhism - Wikipedia
Atheism and religion
Buddhism
Buddhism is often described as non-theistic, since Buddhist authorities and canonical texts do not affirm, and sometimes deny, the following:
* The existence of a creation, and therefore of a creator deity
* That a god (deva), gods, or other divine beings are the source of moral imperatives. Instead, the Dharma is an attribution of the universe
* That human beings or other creatures are responsible to a god or gods for their actions
All canonical Buddhist texts that mention the subject accept the existence (as distinct from the authority) of a great number of spiritual beings, including the Vedic deities. From the point of view of Western theism, certain concepts of the Buddha found in the Mahayana school of Buddhism, e.g. of Amitabha or the Adibuddha may seem to share characteristics with Western concepts of God, but Gautama Buddha himself denied that he was a god or divine.
Atheism and religion - Wikipedia
Do Buddhists believe in God?
Siddhartha Gautama abandoned Asceticism, therefore, he does Not know what he is talking about. So-called Christianity, Islam and Judaism also reject Asceticism and they don't know what they are talking about. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are Left-Hand Path Religions.
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Are There Any Religious Ascetics On These Forums?
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Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
Matthew 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, and one of the latest manifestations of these Religions, Baháʼí Faith are All False Left-Hand Path Religions. Left-Hand Path Religion is Really Atheism. Left-Hand Path Religion is the Natural Religion of the Devil/Satan. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Form.
The Only True Religion is Christian Gnosticism the Original Teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ to Become Unified With Elohim/God. The Only Way to Become Unified With Elohim/God is through Extreme Ascetic Devotion.
Left-hand path and right-hand path
In Western esotericism, left-hand path and right-hand path are two opposing approaches to magic. Various groups engaged with the occult and ceremonial magic use the terminology to establish a dichotomy, broadly simplified as (malicious) black magic on the left and (benevolent) white magic on the right.[1] Others approach the left/right paths as different kinds of workings, without connotations of good or bad magical actions.[2] Still others treat the paths as fundamental schemes, connected with external divinities on the right, contrasted with self-deification on the left.
The terms have their origins in tantra: the right-hand path (RHP, or dakṣiṇācāra) applied to magical groups that follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, while the left-hand path (LHP, or vāmācāra) adopts the opposite attitude, breaking taboos and abandoning set morality. Contemporary occultists such as Peter J. Carroll have stressed that both paths can be followed by a magical practitioner, as essentially they have the same goals
en.wikipedia.org
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, and one of the latest manifestations of these Religions, Baháʼí Faith are All False Left-Hand Path Religions. Left-Hand Path Religion is Really Atheism. Left-Hand Path Religion is the Natural Religion of the Devil/Satan. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Form.
The Only True Religion is Christian Gnosticism the Original Teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ to Become Unified With Elohim/God. The Only Way to Become Unified With Elohim/God is through Extreme Ascetic Devotion.
Left-hand path and right-hand path
In Western esotericism, left-hand path and right-hand path are two opposing approaches to magic. Various groups engaged with the occult and ceremonial magic use the terminology to establish a dichotomy, broadly simplified as (malicious) black magic on the left and (benevolent) white magic on the right.[1] Others approach the left/right paths as different kinds of workings, without connotations of good or bad magical actions.[2] Still others treat the paths as fundamental schemes, connected with external divinities on the right, contrasted with self-deification on the left.
The terms have their origins in tantra: the right-hand path (RHP, or dakṣiṇācāra) applied to magical groups that follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, while the left-hand path (LHP, or vāmācāra) adopts the opposite attitude, breaking taboos and abandoning set morality. Contemporary occultists such as Peter J. Carroll have stressed that both paths can be followed by a magical practitioner, as essentially they have the same goals
Left-hand path and right-hand path - Wikipedia
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Maninthemiddle
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First of all why would I be afraid to confirm I believe in God, second why do you assume I’m Athiest.You still have not answered the All-Important Critical Question. Do you you believe in Elohim/God? Are you afraid to affirm whether you believe in Elohim/God or not? I assume that you @Maninthemiddle are an Atheist.
Creator in Buddhism
Generally speaking, Buddhism is a religion that does not include the belief in a monotheistic creator deity.[1][2][3] As such, it has often been described as either (non-materialistic) atheism or as nontheism, though these descriptions have been challenged by other scholars, since some forms of Buddhism do posit different kinds of transcendent, unborn, and unconditioned ultimate realities (e.g., Buddha-nature).
Creator in Buddhism - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Atheism and religion
Buddhism
Buddhism is often described as non-theistic, since Buddhist authorities and canonical texts do not affirm, and sometimes deny, the following:
* The existence of a creation, and therefore of a creator deity
* That a god (deva), gods, or other divine beings are the source of moral imperatives. Instead, the Dharma is an attribution of the universe
* That human beings or other creatures are responsible to a god or gods for their actions
All canonical Buddhist texts that mention the subject accept the existence (as distinct from the authority) of a great number of spiritual beings, including the Vedic deities. From the point of view of Western theism, certain concepts of the Buddha found in the Mahayana school of Buddhism, e.g. of Amitabha or the Adibuddha may seem to share characteristics with Western concepts of God, but Gautama Buddha himself denied that he was a god or divine.
Atheism and religion - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Do Buddhists believe in God?
Siddhartha Gautama abandoned Asceticism, therefore, he does Not know what he is talking about. So-called Christianity, Islam and Judaism also reject Asceticism and they don't know what they are talking about. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are Left-Hand Path Religions.
Are There Any Religious Ascetics On These Forums?
Are There Any Religious Ascetics On These Forums?
Galatians 6:17 17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. Are there any Religious Ascetics on these forums? If yes, how do you practice Religious Asceticism? To what end do you practice Religious Ascetism? Is the intent to draw near to...www.religiousforums.com
It’s very difficult to have an Intelligent conversation with people that make assumptions.
I believe a God more then likely exists however I cannot say it with absolute certainty without more evidence.
I’m also not a follower of Mahayana Buddhism so that is another assumption.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
If you answer questions about your Identity than assumptions would not have been made. Those that fail to assert their Identity are a target for those making assumptions. Based on what you have written, your Identity is Agnostic. People conceal their Real Identity either because they want to Hide their Real Intentions, are Afraid or want to fit in with others.
Maninthemiddle
Active Member
First of all what have I hidden, my Avatar speaks for itself.
You said I never answered the all important critical question about believing in God.
I never hid my belief I simply forgot to answer that part.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
Firstly, any Religion that Fails to Confirm The Absolute Certainty of Elohim/God is False Religion. At least you are being honest that you are Agnostic. In Christendom they are Lying and Delusional about believing in Elohim/God with Empty Declarations with their mouth while the way they live/die and behave is evidence of the Total Opposite.
Secondly, if your Avatar means Middle Way Religion, that is the reason why you are Agnostic.
Thirdly, I Am Ultra Extremist Christian Gnostic and that means Every Word I write is from the Holy Scriptures/Bible. I place Explicit Scriptural Quotes above My Implicit Scriptural Writings. The only time it's not the Holy Scriptures/Bible is when I communicate about other Religions. It appears to be naive that you are asking me why I'm quoting Matthew to you. Christian Gnostic is My Identity and My Identity Determines All My Communications. For you it should be the same with Agnostic Buddhist Identity if you are serious about your Religion.
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So YOU are capable of murder??? I'm very happy that we have never met!
I know only one person who (perhaps) is capable of murder.
It’s very difficult to have an Intelligent conversation with people that make assumptions.
Others have already corrected you on what that Commandment says. What does honor mean? Respect? Obey? Give tribute to?
What's most notable to me about that is inclusion in the top ten. Why did somebody think that needed to be said at all? Was there a problem with kids not honoring their parents? I understand the piety Commandments, and those on killing, stealing, and lying being near the top, but not this or the one on envying.
Yikes!
I assume that he means that the Bible isn't authoritative to him, which doesn't mean that he doesn't understand them or relate to people who feel differently than he does.
Your Bible has meaning to me, but probably not what it means to you.
That's poetry. Our "father" that impels us to murder (and rape and steal) is our tripartite mind, which retains primal urges but subjects them to reason in man with various degrees of success.
What your religion has done is name what Freud called id (the beastly aspect of man) and superego (reason and conscience) in terms of gods and demons. The internal struggle is frequently depicted as these two characters sitting on opposite shoulders and arguing with one another through the ears.
And man's higher nature is called spiritual and is said to be the part made in the image of his god and which will separate from the flesh and base nature to return to that god. That's how Christianity frames human psychology.
Plato depicted this relationship with a horse (passions) and rider (reining in the passions) metaphor. The Greeks had Apollo and Dionysus representing these competing aspects of man's nature.
The god of Abraham can be ruled out by its description in scripture. The Bible writers made many claims that have been falsified, and some that are internally contradictory (incoherent).
I can assure you that the god who allegedly created the universe in six days including an original pair of humans doesn't exist.
I can assure you that the all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful god that permits gratuitous suffering doesn't exist.
I can assure you that the perfect god who created an imperfect creature, regretted its mistake and tried to correct it with near extinction event that didn't correct the problem doesn't exist.
Gods described in less detail, like the deist god who allegedly set the universe in motion and then left it, can't be ruled out, but the god of Abraham can be.
Yipes, In the Bible the word 'day' has shades of meaning - Genesis 2:4
In other words, the 6 creative days are Not 24-hour days but an un-known amount of time.
There is nothing in Genesis to even say each day was of the same or of differing lengths of time.
ALL of the creative days are summed up by the single word 'day' at Gen. 2:4
Today we speak of grandfather's day and know that is not a 24-hour day just as Noah's day was Not a 24-hour day.
Jesus' coming 1,000-year day is a millennium-long day and Not a 24-hour day
Sinner Satan wants gratuitous suffering because he challenged God at Job 2:4-5
Satan challenges all of us that under suffering conditions we would not serve God
Both Job and Jesus proved Satan a liar and so can we
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
IMHO, scriptures themselves are superfluous. We can go better without them, not fighting about my God/your God, my book/your book.
Age also deserves honor unless there is something particular in that person to deny honoring age. These people may have nuggets of experience and we might benefit from them.
It is a matter of 'Vinaya' (humbleness). A popular Sanskrit verse (not from any scripture) says:
"Vidya dadati vinayam, vinayat yati pratratam;
patratvat dhanamapnoti, dhanat dharmam tatah sukham."
Education gives rise to humbleness, from humbleness comes candidacy (for advancement);
candidacy results in getting money, money helps one to complete his duties and therefore, happiness.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yeah, that will be a long process. How many corrections will they need? Take them as they are, give various explanations.
Oh, sure, everyone is capable of murder, no exception, depends on the circumstances.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
India had a better categorization. Astik (there is something beyond the perceived), Nastik (There is nothing beyond the perceived).
Lokayatas believed that with death all is annihilated (Ajit Kesakambali - Samannaphala Sutta).
'Something beyond' may not necessarily mean a God. For example my view of Brahman does not make it into a God.
Buddhists used words like Buddhadhatu, Bodhikaya, Dhammakaya, Tathagatagarbha, for 'what exists' which is not God.
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Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
The Holy Scriptures/Bible means different things to different people because it's in the Eye of the Beholder. That's why you get the Nazi/KKK Christian and Anabaptist/Quaker Christian.
What the Holy Scriptures/Bible means to me is the Total Opposite of what it means to you. That's why I Know Elohim/God and you are an Atheist.
However you want to Frame the War, you Must Totally Destroy the Lower to Attain the Higher given Striving for the Higher. If Not, than you Must Embrace the Lower with Total Devotion like Marquis de Sade, Jacob Frank and Aleister Crowley. Half-Heartedness does Not have Real Purpose.
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