Lucifer is the Mother of Adam

[Breathe]

You're right,I know.

T'is incorrect.

 

[Smoke]

This is what happens when one doesn't care to read the whole Bible.

And has waaaaaayyy tooooo much time on their hands and no access to higher learning.

And is crazy as a bedbug.

Lucifer (Lucy-fur, referring to her red hair, and also signifying her descent from King David) is the name of Mary (mare-he, which refers to Loki), the mother of Jesus. Jesus is therefore seen to be the same as Sleipnir, the eight-legged steed of Odin. The eight legs signify the Eightfold Path and Odin represents buddhahood. One who is enlightened (the son of the morning) gives birth the Eightfold Path. The Eightfold Path is the mount of all who will achieve wisdom.

Lucifer/Mary/Loki gives birth to Jesus/Sleipnir/The Eightfold Path, but it is Sakyamuni who delivers to us the Eightfold Path, showing that Lucifer, Mary, Loki and Sakyamuni are all one, for the Jews are really Aryans, forming the link between the Indian (in Dian[a], the divine huntress) peoples and the Teutonic (Tiw-tonic) peoples. The word Jew comes from yew (the bodhi tree was not a fig tree but a yew tree), and is related to hew.

This signifies that the hunter or seeker must meditate beneath the yew tree, achieving enlightenment and being hewn from his delusions, and passing into the Tiw-tonic or "divine medicine" state which represents Nirvana.

 

[Ardipithecus]

I saw a documentary on the Gospel of Judas found in Egypt. Interestingly it says that the Creator in the Old Testament was actually Satan or the Devil. Judas claimed that Jesus was sent by the real High God to overthrow the rule of Satan the creator.

That is interesting because the crusaders brought back to Europe a belief that rationalized the contradictions of morality in the Bible. In the O.T. God is brutal, a genocidal killer. He kills the whole world in an imaginary flood. The O.T. God can in no way be GOOD.

The belief reached Europe in the 12th century called Catharism, Albigensianism, or Bogomils. They could not reconcile the goodness of God in the New Testament and Jesus being sent by a fair and good High God. They explained the evil O.T. acts of God by reasoning that the Creator God was evil. The O.T. God set up conditions to make man sin so that God could then punish him. It made no moral sense. God in the O.T. forbade knowledge to Adam and Eve, then placed a Tree of Knowledge to tempt them. When they finally ate the fruit to gain knowledge, he punished them. It was a nasty sting operation.

Catharism made sense, an evil O.T. God and a good N.T. God which fits well with Dualistic Zoroastrianism. Likewise the mythical story of Jesus (virgin birth impregnated by God, who was slain and resurrected) is identical to one of the myths about the Zoroastrian Mithra.

Judas by the way, was not a villain but a hero who betrayed Jesus at the request of Jesus. However in the Gospel of Judas, there was no crucifixion or resurrection and Jesus was not a virgin. I suspect his gospel reflected the very first proto-Christians before the Paganized Orthodox Catholic Church exterminated all rivals beginning in 393 AD under Theodosius I. Pagans were also exterminated. Rival Christians and Pagans could escape execution by converting.

Ardipithecus

 

[look3467]

Wow! Allot of twists!

Very simple folks, God created that which He also saves period.

As for mankind, well, because the likeness of God is mankind, man thinks to rule it's own little kingdom without regards to its creator.

Thus the twist!

There is no convincing, no matter what is said!

Simple faith is all that is needed in words of Jesus, that God is love.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Archer]

Revelations 12:1
And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun.

Lucifer means "I bear Light" | Above is the Woman Clothing the Sun, thus it is her Duty to Bear the Light.
this is paralleled to bear Life which is why Son and Sun are pronounced the same.

Luci-FER -think Fertility/to bear

fertile
1436, from L. fertilis "bearing in abundance, fruitful, productive," from ferre "to bear" (see infer)

Lucifer
O.E. Lucifer "Satan," also "morning star," from L. Lucifer "morning star," lit. "light-bringing," from lux (gen. lucis) + ferre "carry"

Females Bear LIFe - look closely at the F / V / th sounds.

moTher , Eve, Love, earTH. heaVen, aTHena, Fruit(Fer'oot).

Originally the Female Goddess were worshipped as being the Creator of Man and the universe - but monotheisms they swapped the goddess roles with a male-god , which became MANotheism - MAN have taken over her religion, and corrupted it.

Monotheism has turned mother nature eVil - deaTH - turned her into the deViL-

The Original first man "Atum" was created by Nun the Fertility Goddess - She is also the mother of Amen - "a MAN"
and the mother of RA and yahWAh - she is also the mother of "Ye-Shua"

Other Egyptian names for Nun are Nut, Mut Geb, Neith and Hathor-Isis.
Nun > Mun > Mum

The name Noah is a variant of NU; the original Noah was Female. Noah's ark was really NU's Womb, the Womb of Creation. Numbers 26:33

Lucifer is also Mary the Virgin
Lucifer's number is 666 / 6th House = Virgo |+6 = Pisces |+6 = Virgo.

Mary > from "Meri-Hathor" meaning the "The mothers "House(womb) of Horus" This House is Virgo - Virgo also means "House of Bread" - In Hebrew is "Bethlehem"

Mar or Mer from African roots means Mother, Water or Love, reflected in these words : Marry, Merge, Mermaid, Marine.

Mar is also the prototype for many Mothers of the Sun including Maia mother of Buddha,Krishna,Hermes,Sakai,Yasoda - Maya mother of Agnu - Myrrha mother of adonis and Bacchus and Mayence mother of Hesus.

Did you come up with this yourself? If you did then that is awesome thinking Frubals if no well it is still interesting. If it is yours perhaps you should look a little deeper and perhaps have it submitted to one of those history channel shows.

I was not joking.

 

[EtuMalku]

Wow, I've heard it all now.
Lucifer (Latin; Luc Lucis) translates to Light Bearer.
Lucifer is not the Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) meaning gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.

Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan or ha-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning adversary. Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes who began referring to anyone not an Essene as the Shaiten. Still further on the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify Shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?

The Gematria number 666 translates to The Beast, Qliphoth, Satan-Typhon-Apophis and Jesus . . . go figure, lol.

The female Goddess alone was never the sole originator of the Universe nor the originator of Man. These would be Amon (Atum, neither male or female) and Khnum respectively.

 

[Oberon]

Wow, I've heard it all now.
Lucifer (Latin; Luc Lucis) translates to Light Bearer.

Not exactly. yes, latin fero (greek phero) means "I bear/carry/bring/etc." and lux means light. However, Lucifer was roman deity (see e.g. Ovid's metamorphisis).

Lucifer is not the Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes

Why "shaiten" ?. Why that specific transliteration for the hebrew שׂטן/stn

Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) meaning gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.

Do you actually know latin? Lucifer does not mean lux lucis (light of light) nor does the name or deity have anything to do with gnosis/γνῶσις or "truth and divine knowledge." Lucifer was the morning star.

Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan or ha-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten)

Ahh. Do you have a link or citation for this, by any chance? It certainly explains the transliteration.

Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes who began referring to anyone not an Essene as the Shaiten.

This is completely false. The satan/שׂטן of the old testament/tnk was a servant of god and was around long before the essenes. The jewish conception of a supreme evil probably came from persia but satan was not a supremely evil being, but (again) a servant of god.

Still further on the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify Shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.

Christians borrowed a late jewish dualism, and lucifer became identified with satan through Jerome's vulgate.

The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning?

The word "lucifer" here is a translation of of the hebrew הילל/helal and שׁחר/shahar, who were canaanite deities. Jerome used the roman equivalent to translate the hebrew into latin: quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris

"how/in what manner did you fall/descend from the sky/heavens Lucifer who arises in the morning?"

 

[EtuMalku]

I am not a scholar in Latin, if that is what you are asking. Being a Luciferian I am quite sure what the Principle of Lucifer stands for.
"Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light." - Lynn Picknett

"The significant symbol of wisdom given to us by research is Lucifer, the bringer of light. Everybody is searching for perception; wisdom is a child of Lucifer.
The Chaldean astrologers, the Egyptian priests, the Indian Brahmans; they are all children of Lucifer. Already the first man became a child of Lucifer when the serpent taught him good and evil. What they got to know by perception was the sacred cosmic mystery. In front of it they kneeled in devotion. It was the light that showed their souls to their destiny. In devotion they received wisdom which became faith, religion. What Lucifer had brought to them, shined godlike in front of their psychic eyes.

Owing to Lucifer they had God. It means to disunite heart and mind if God is considered as Lucifer's enemy. Our educated don't raise the perception of the mind to religious devotion; they paralyze the enthusiasm of the heart.
For those who are searching for the light of the spirit Lucifer shall be a messenger. He won't talk about a faith that is alien to perception. He won't flatter into the hearts to avoid the guardian of science: he shall respect him. He won't preach piety and divine bliss but will show ways for the knowledge to change into divine sensation, into the devotion of the cosmic spirit.

Lucifer knows that the radiant sun may only rise in the heart of the individual; but he also knows that only the paths of perception lead up to the mountain where the sun appears in his divine radiation. Lucifer is no devil leading the searching Faust to hell; he shall be an awakener of those who believe in knowledge who want to change into the gold of divine wisdom." - Michael W. Ford

"Lucifer stands on the threshold of Dawn and Dusk. The bringer of light, symbol of Thelemic strength and divine wisdom emerges. The age of Lucifer is the uprising of what Blavatsky termed "Phosphorus", the cosmic force of illumination and light. Lucifer is the force of Air, while Satan the dual and corrupted form of the light bringer is of active fire. This duality is the changeable essence of progression and evolution. Lucifer emerges by name as the Roman "bringer of light", Lucem Fero..the carrier of the torch.

A Gnostic God, the Holy bible mentions little of him besides the basis of origin:
"You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you." - Rudolph Steiner

In Greek mythology, Hesperus (Greek Hesperos) (Roman equivalent: Vesper cf. "evening", "supper", "evening star", "west"), the Evening Star is the son of the dawn goddessEos (Roman equivalent: Aurora) and brother of Eosphorus (Eosphoros "dawn-bearer"; also Phosphorus, Lucifer "light-bearer", Iubar), the Morning Star. Hesperus' father wasm Cephalus, a mortal, while Eosphoros' was the star god Astraios.

Hesperus (Greek Hesperos) is the personification of the "evening star", the planet Venus in the evening. His name is sometimes conflated with the names for his brother the personification of the planet as the "morning star" Eosphorus or Phosorus (Ancient Greek: "bearer of light", often translated as "Lucifer" in Latin), since they are all personifications of the same planet Venus. "Heosphoros" in the Greek LXX Septuagint and "Lucifer" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate were used to translate the Hebrew "Helel" (Venus as the brilliant, bright or shining one), "son of Shahar (Dawn)" in the Hebrew version of Isaiah 14:12.

When named thus by the early Greeks, it was thought that Eosphorus (Venus in the morning) and Hesperos (Venus in the evening) were two different celestial objects. The Greeks later accepted the Babylonian view that the two were the same, and the Babylonian identification of the planets with the Great Gods, and dedicated the "wandering star" (planet) to Aphrodite (Roman Venus), as the equivalent.

So where did you get your information from?

Not exactly. yes, latin fero (greek phero) means "I bear/carry/bring/etc." and lux means light. However, Lucifer was roman deity (see e.g. Ovid's metamorphisis).



Why "shaiten" ?. Why that specific transliteration for the hebrew שׂטן/stn



Do you actually know latin? Lucifer does not mean lux lucis (light of light) nor does the name or deity have anything to do with gnosis/γνῶσις or "truth and divine knowledge." Lucifer was the morning star.
I am not a scholar in Latin, if that is what you are asking. Being a Luciferian I am quite sure what the Principle of Lucifer stands for.
"Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light." - Lynn Picknett



Ahh. Do you have a link or citation for this, by any chance? It certainly explains the transliteration.



This is completely false. The satan/שׂטן of the old testament/tnk was a servant of god and was around long before the essenes. The jewish conception of a supreme evil probably came from persia but satan was not a supremely evil being, but (again) a servant of god.

Christians borrowed a late jewish dualism, and lucifer became identified with satan through Jerome's vulgate.



The word "lucifer" here is a translation of of the hebrew הילל/helal and שׁחר/shahar, who were canaanite deities. Jerome used the roman equivalent to translate the hebrew into latin: quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris

"how/in what manner did you fall/descend from the sky/heavens Lucifer who arises in the morning?"

 

[Oberon]

I am not a scholar in Latin, if that is what you are asking. Being a Luciferian I am quite sure what the Principle of Lucifer stands for.

Ah. So your comments on Lucifer are not from a historical perspective (i.e. they do not concern Lucifer as he was conceived of by the romans and the christians) but from a Luciferian perspective (i.e. they are religious).

In Greek mythology, Hesperus (Greek Hesperos) (Roman equivalent: Vesper cf. "evening", "supper", "evening star", "west"), the Evening Star is the son of the dawn goddessEos (Roman equivalent: Aurora) and brother of Eosphorus (Eosphoros "dawn-bearer"; also Phosphorus, Lucifer "light-bearer", Iubar), the Morning Star. Hesperus' father wasm Cephalus, a mortal, while Eosphoros' was the star god Astraios.

Exactly. Lucifer is the morning star. Hence Ovid's Iam nitidum retegente diem noctisque fugante tempora Lucifero cadit eurus/Now with clear day being uncovered and night time being chased off by Lucifer...

"Heosphoros" in the Greek LXX Septuagint and "Lucifer" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate were used to translate the Hebrew "Helel" (Venus as the brilliant, bright or shining one), "son of Shahar (Dawn)" in the Hebrew version of Isaiah 14:12.

I'm pretty sure I said that.

So where did you get your information from?

I'm not entirely sure what information you are talking about. I read greek and latin, as well as hebrew. I've read a number of classical texts, including Ovid, so I know who lucifer is. As for information on Helel and Lucifer, I must have read a number of related texts and books in Grad school. However, if you want a few relevant sources, see e.g. Paigels' book The origin of Satan or Albani's paper "The downfall of Helel, the son of Dawn" in Auffarth, Christoph(Ed). Fall of the Angels. Leiden, , NLD: Brill Academic Publishers, 2004. or J. W. Mckay's paper "Helel and the Dawn-Goddess: A re-examination of the myth in Isaiah XIV 12-15." Vestus Testamentum 20.4.

If you want sources for specific details, just let me know what.

 

[EtuMalku]

Professor Pagel's book rocks as do most of her works . . . I feel we understand one another and where we are both coming from. Thank you for your insightful translations, they are excellent.

 

[look3467]

What is the desired end effect in the creation of mankind?

Does all the goddesses, gods, and word translations give us the desired end result for humanity?

If one takes the bible in its entirety, we will see the beginning, the middle and the desired end result for humanity where all the stories of gods mating and offspring, has no desired end effect, such as the salvation of the human soul and life eternal after this one.

Blessings, AJ

 

[David69]

Lucifer is also Mary the Virgin
Lucifer's number is 666 / 6th House = Virgo |+6 = Pisces |+6 = Virgo.

That makes sense to me that Lucifer would be born as Mary because I beleive that Jesus is a side of Lucifer. I beleive Lucifer to be number 9 (3+3+3) Isnt the general idea that 666 is the number of the ant-christ but imo to see the light is a matter of turning it upside down... jmo 666= 999 the id of the messiah! Build that temple as time is nigh

 

[look3467]

Rev 13:18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

1. Number of a man = 6, for mankind was created on the sixth day.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image,..........



Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Threescore = 3 times a number
600 + three score =20 times 3 = 60 and six.

If we take the number 6, double it twice we have 666.

Now look at this verse:
Gen 41:32And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; [it is] because the thing [is] established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.


If we look at certain stories in the bible, we see this doubling happening before God brings it to pass.

In the case of Peter, betrayl of Jesus-
Exd 16:5, Num 20:11, Job 33:14......etc


So, then,....what we have is the first 6 number representing the first creation of man.
The first man brought the flesh and death.
The second 6, represents a second type of Adam.
This time, the second Adam nulifies the penalty of the first: hell and death.
Ref:
Isa 28:18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
When does the scourage pass throught? When the judgment of mankind is placed on Jesus.

Hab 2:5Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, [he is] a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and [is] as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

That verse is key in understanding the importance of the second 6, for the second six is Jesus placed on trial for the soul of mankind.

As the verse above points out "enlargeth his desire as hell", "as death" and cannot be satisfied untill all mankind is spoken for.

Now we come to the third 6: The new Adam.

2Cr 5:17Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

God brought it to pass by doubling.


So Mary is not Lucifer!
Mary is representative of the nation that traviled with child to bring about the second Adam, making the nation of Isreal, a virgin in the eyes of God.

Blessings, AJ

 

[PoorlyCommunicated]

I thought you were making a joke based on Assyriology when I read the title of your Thread

 

[David69]

Not exactly. yes, latin fero (greek phero) means "I bear/carry/bring/etc." and lux means light. However, Lucifer was roman deity (see e.g. Ovid's metamorphisis).
"how/in what manner did you fall/descend from the sky/heavens Lucifer who arises in the morning?"

Did Lucifer being a Roman Deity have anything to do with the downfall of Jesus, I wonder! As I understand it, Lucifer wanted to come to earth but Jesus Got sent in his place? I beleive that, that was all part of Gods plan and Lucifer would have knew that it would be his turn after Jesus and Jesus new too! imo. But I dont know the consesus thought or the religious veiw. Any thoughts?

 

[Oberon]

Did Lucifer being a Roman Deity have anything to do with the downfall of Jesus, I wonder!

Totally unrelated.

As I understand it, Lucifer wanted to come to earth but Jesus Got sent in his place?

The roman lucifer was not the christian devil. The association came from a misreading of the vulgate.

 

[David69]

Totally unrelated.



The roman lucifer was not the christian devil. The association came from a misreading of the vulgate.

What do you think about... Jesus angel that he sent forth being the real messiah... David, that he sent forth and Lucifers chosen one (the mortal amongst us that crosses the abyss fill in in the darkness with truth, the one that has all the answers)
The Messiah and the false Messiah being the same one?
will this fit into any beleifs?
Thanks?

 

[Mr Cheese]

If we take the number 6, double it twice we have 666.

You failed pre school math huh?

6 * 2=12

12*2=24

If we take the number 6, double it twice we have 30.

 

[look3467]

You failed pre school math huh?

6 * 2=12

12*2=24

If we take the number 6, double it twice we have 30.

6 once 6 twice and the third time God brings it to pass.

It is not in the math, but in the doubling, 6 doubled twice is 6 plus double 6's is 3 sixes.

How many times did the **** crow?
Refer: Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the **** crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Secrets of wisdom: Job 11:6 And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth.

Because: ...was doubled...because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.


Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.


Understand?

Blessings, AJ

 

[Oberon]

What do you think about... Jesus angel that he sent forth being the real messiah... David, that he sent forth and Lucifers chosen one (the mortal amongst us that crosses the abyss fill in in the darkness with truth, the one that has all the answers)
The Messiah and the false Messiah being the same one?
will this fit into any beleifs?
Thanks?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but in some gnostic sects the serpent who tempted Eve (and is associated with Satan) was seen as a messenger from the True God (the God of the OT being a false one), and Jesus was also from this True God.