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No, but I have read a great deal about it. This actually seems to be the idea of magick that a lot of groups use.Danisty, did you at one point practice Wicca or Witchcraft? ( I ask because your answer really Jives with those two groups.)
Basically because we get stuck with it...lol. To me, Lucifer and Satan are not the same, but for most people, they are similar enough to put is in the same category with Satanists.Secondly, since I dove right in and all, I was wondering, isn't lucifer an entrily different figure then satan (in pagan mythology vs. Christian mythology) So why is it considered close to Satanism?
Both. This is how we see the Fallen Angel...as the lightbringer. There's no need to separate them. As far as I'm concerned, Lucifer is simply misunderstood in Christianity.I mean to say which Lucifer is followed? The pagan one who was a light-bringer, and then tried to overturn some other god? (My pagan mythos is very limited.) Or the Fallen Angel?
No problem. Ask any questions you want.Thanks for your time, Sorry If I missed it somewhere else.
I'm not really sure if you could call anyone a Luciferian priest...or maybe all Luciferians are priests? There isn't really any organization to it.Umm...since you asked...but be forewarned. I ask ALOT of questions, I realize that neither of you might be a Luciferian priest, and may not know some of these, but I was curious. Since you seem to follow the happy medium of both, what are your views on this:
Luciferianism isn't so much rooted in quote from Isaiah. Are you familiar with Gnosticism? It's very similar to a lot of Gnostic ideas, especially concerned the Garden of Eden. Lucifer has long been associated with the serpent. We believe that also, but the serpent is not the villain. The serpent gave us the gift of knowledge and freed us from the prison that was the Garden of Eden. So, while Lucifer is only mentioned in Isaiah, that quote really doesn't have much to do with Luciferianism." It is noted that the Old Testament itself does not actually contain a literal account of the rebellion and fall of Satan*. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are directly concerned with the temporal rulers of Babylon and Tyre, rather than a supernatural being.** "
(Wikipedia)
In plain ol' english:
The old testement doesn't actually speak of the rebellion and fall of Lucifer, and scholars today believe that it was referring to the Kings of Babylon and Tyre, during their respective falls from the throne at that time. ***
Well, LaVey had a decent grasp on a lot of things. My problem with Satanism was only the execution of those ideas. I'm not sure why Lucifer is the prince of air in general, but the east makes sense since that's where the sun rises, and where you will see the morningstar.The four crown princes of Hell
Lucifer has been acknowledged by the Satanic Bible as one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell, particularly that of the East. Lord of the Air, Lucifer has been named "Bringer of light, The morning star, Intellectualism, Enlightenment."
I'm not sure how much that affects the bible (since it isn't my sole reference for Luciferianism, it really doesn't matter much to me if it does color the way the passages were written or not), but I have heard of this Lucifer. His name was Lucifer Calaritanus and he's a Catholic Saint. Perhaps a Catholic could give you more information.One more thing, it is also believed that alot of the references in the bible were part of some feud between one of the translators and a Catholic priest who spoke out against an Aryan massacre (???) and was named Lucifer ( I doubt this, but was wondering your views on it.)
I believe in magick. It's very subtle. Magick isn't about fireballs and stuff. It's about using your will to make things happen.
" It is noted that the Old Testament itself does not actually contain a literal account of the rebellion and fall of Satan*. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are directly concerned with the temporal rulers of Babylon and Tyre, rather than a supernatural being.** "
Me too...lol.That is a relief. Fireballs are too grandiose for me to even consider.
There aren't really any texts and while there are some groups, there is nothing organized. I think most people become Luciferian and then join a group if they want to...not the other way around. I honestly just formulated my own ideas about Lucifer and went from there. I pretty much invented it myself and then later found out that others had done the same thing. When I first started, there weren't even any Luciferian websites.How did the two of you, Ðanisty and morning-star, become Luciferians? Is there any sort of Luciferian group you joined? Is there any special text you have read?
There aren't really any texts and while there are some groups, there is nothing organized. I think most people become Luciferian and then join a group if they want to...not the other way around. I honestly just formulated my own ideas about Lucifer and went from there. I pretty much invented it myself and then later found out that others had done the same thing. When I first started, there weren't even any Luciferian websites.
As far as texts go, the bible and the gnostic texts are very useful as well as general research into Egyptian, Greek, and Sumerian mythology.
Not really because there are so many different ideas on Luciferianism. I haven't found any particularly good sites.Are the Luciferian web sites of much help?
Okay, well, we aren't talking about Satanism in this thread, but I'm willing to bet that what you think of when you think of magic is nothing like what Satanists practice. They don't believe in fireballs and crazy stuff like that. For instance, some of the rituals are designed simply to satisfy the need to do something about an impossible situation and just letting whatever happens happen.Actually, I kinda like the thought of satanism. It's just the magic and all that which puts me off.
much like praying, just more...interactive.Ðanisty;790599 said:Okay, well, we aren't talking about Satanism in this thread, but I'm willing to bet that what you think of when you think of magic is nothing like what Satanists practice. They don't believe in fireballs and crazy stuff like that. For instance, some of the rituals are designed simply to satisfy the need to do something about an impossible situation and just letting whatever happens happen.
Yup, pretty much.much like praying, just more...interactive.
Ðanisty;790599 said:Okay, well, we aren't talking about Satanism in this thread, but I'm willing to bet that what you think of when you think of magic is nothing like what Satanists practice. They don't believe in fireballs and crazy stuff like that. For instance, some of the rituals are designed simply to satisfy the need to do something about an impossible situation and just letting whatever happens happen.
Do you believe in magickal powers? If so, are they flagrant powers, such as bright pulses of energy, or more subtle powers, such as curses?
How did the two of you, Ðanisty and morning-star, become Luciferians? Is there any sort of Luciferian group you joined? Is there any special text you have read?
Are the Luciferian web sites of much help?
I don't know any Luciferians who call themselves Satanists. Where did you hear this?I thought at least a substantial part of those who consider themselves lucifarian also call themselves satanists. What the magic's concerned, I have two friends who are deeply involved in those things, so I am aware I won't wake up as a rabbit tomorrow.
I started of looking at all sorts of different faiths; I then started to go into Satanism ect. But every time I thought about it I always saw Lucifer and Satan as deferent entities and I was unsure why. So I started to look deeper into it and I stumbled across a luciferian webpage and something just clicked suddenly all theses experiences and theories bussing around in my head made sense. From then on I started to trust my own instincts and feelings and continued to learn as much as I can. I cant exsplain why but its like this way of life was with me all along I just had to find and understand what it all really meant.
As I believe in a perfervid Individualism, I understand the necessity of finding your own truths.It depends on what you are looking for. It can be good to see other peoples views on luciferianism, but at the end of the day you find the truths within yourself.
This would be like a person calling himself a Catholic and a Protestant. However, I am unsure how much Satanism and Luciferianism differ; it might not be an accurate comparison, but you get the idea.I thought at least a substantial part of those who consider themselves lucifarian also call themselves satanists
That's how I see it.This would be like a person calling himself a Catholic and a Protestant. However, I am unsure how much Satanism and Luciferianism differ; it might not be an accurate comparison, but you get the idea.