Luciferism where he at yo

[savethedreams]

So how do you get in contact with Lucifer? I read in another forum he was a good guy and blah, i'm not afraid of anything really as long as it does't lead me to a bad afterlife, and I don't believe in 'hell'' so,

How do you talk to spirits or communicated with them in general, as well as Lucifer?

 

[Twig pentagram]

I don't think Lucifer is a real entity.

 

[savethedreams]

I don't think Lucifer is a real entity.

me neither but I have read somewhere, some people have 'talked' to him, so I would like to as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are theistic and non-theistic denominations of Luciferianism. I personally do not believe Lucifer exist, however I feel his side of the story fits well with humans evolving a superior intelligence and capabilities.

 

[savethedreams]

There are theistic and non-theistic denominations of Luciferianism. I personally do not believe Lucifer exist, however I feel his side of the story fits well with humans evolving a superior intelligence and capabilities.

So, what about theistic luciferians?

 

[Erebus]

So how do you get in contact with Lucifer? I read in another forum he was a good guy and blah, i'm not afraid of anything really as long as it does't lead me to a bad afterlife, and I don't believe in 'hell'' so,

How do you talk to spirits or communicated with them in general, as well as Lucifer?

One theory I've read is that Lucifer will appear to those who need help. He can be thought of as a source of light in the darkness and if you're willing to accept him, he will appear when he is needed.
Bear in mind that a lot of the LHP gods don't appear to just anybody, some people theorise that individuals will be "chosen" at birth and that they will come into contact with the gods when the deity in question sees fit. Other people will claim that you can call on the gods to appear before you in person via an arcane device such as a Goetic circle, personally though I don't accept this theory.
The way I see it is if Lucifer has interest in you, he will come to you. Perhaps it's worth reading up on him and keeping him in your thoughts as this may attract his attention.

 

[savethedreams]

One theory I've read is that Lucifer will appear to those who need help. He can be thought of as a source of light in the darkness and if you're willing to accept him, he will appear when he is needed.
Bear in mind that a lot of the LHP gods don't appear to just anybody, some people theorise that individuals will be "chosen" at birth and that they will come into contact with the gods when the deity in question sees fit. Other people will claim that you can call on the gods to appear before you in person via an arcane device such as a Goetic circle, personally though I don't accept this theory.
The way I see it is if Lucifer has interest in you, he will come to you. Perhaps it's worth reading up on him and keeping him in your thoughts as this may attract his attention.

Very interesting.... could then Lucifer be a god? like Jehovah. I mean I do no evil, and harm no one, but 'how can you keep him in your thoughts' this is all interesting.

 

[Erebus]

Very interesting.... could then Lucifer be a god? like Jehovah. I mean I do no evil, and harm no one, but 'how can you keep him in your thoughts' this is all interesting.

He could very well be a god yes... or he might not exist at all, I don't know

I would recommend fiction such as "Paradise Lost" as a starting point. A lot of Luciferians agree with the sympathetic(ish) representation of Lucifer in Paradise Lost. From there, basic meditation with Lucifer as the focus would be a good way to go. The rest, you are likely to pick up as you go along. The trick is to simply reflect on Lucifer as a hero/villain or as a symbol in order to ingrain his image into your mind, there's no right or wrong way to do this though, so I would encourage you to come up with your own techniques once you have an image of what he's like in your mind. You could write a story about him, describing the way you imagine him to be, you could create a song, it's really up to you.

Bear in mind that the way I see it is that gods are at the very least a powerful psychological tool even if they don't exist objectively. By "living and breathing" Lucifer for a while, you are more likely to encounter him. Whether this experience is real or purely psychological will be up to you to decide though.

Sorry if this comes off as a little cryptic, part of the benefit to a little ambiguity in things like this is that it helps people to come up with their own ideas, which in my opinion is of far more value than simply mimicking another person's paradigm.

 

[Klaufi_Wodensson]

Very interesting.... could then Lucifer be a god? like Jehovah. I mean I do no evil, and harm no one, but 'how can you keep him in your thoughts' this is all interesting.

I am not a Luciferian, but I am pretty sure that almost no Luciferians, if any, believe that Lucifer is evil or harms people, so you can keep him in your thoughts without doing so.

 

[Orias]

me neither but I have read somewhere, some people have 'talked' to him, so I would like to as well.

The mind.

 

[kylixguru]

Very interesting.... could then Lucifer be a god? like Jehovah.

Lucifer is a god like Jehovah. If you really would like to meet him, it's pretty much exactly like arranging for a visit with President Obama.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Lucifer is a god like Jehovah... Even though Lucifer doesn't exist I respect his character a lot.

 

[doppelganger]

Lucifer is the latin word for the planet Venus. It was the Latin translation of two metaphors in the Bible meaning "light bearer" or "morning star"/"daystar" when Hebrew and early Christian writings were translated for the Vulgate. It used in reference to either an arrogant Babylonian king or Babylon itself in Isaiah, and it is used in reference to Jesus as bringer of the light of morning in 2 Peter.

It could also be metaphorically associated with Prometheus (who stole fire/light from the gods to give to humans).

The tradition of treating "Lucifer" as an alternative proper name for the Devil or Satan is based on reading the passage from the Vulgate out of context as though it were Isaiah speaking of the Devil. Obviously, "Lucifer" is not a proper name in Isaiah - it's not even a word in Ancient Hebrew - and if your ever see it translated as a proper name in English translations know that it categorically cannot have been translated that way from the Hebrew and is therefore a demonstrable translation error. Consequently, the word "lucifer" does not appear in any of the major scholarly English translations of the Bible. It does it appear in the King James translation, but was included there for reasons of tradition and theology rather than any proper linguistic reason. It's especially silly when you see the translators in the NKJV include a note describing this passage as "The Fall of Lucifer" as though that were a name of something in Hebrew and without any regard for the connection between this passage and remainder of chapters 13 and 14 of Isaiah.

 

[doppelganger]

As for the question in the OP. 'Lightbringer' symbols variously refer to the ego itself or the hope or desire to bring about perceived positive change in the world (though usually in stories where attempting to do so also bring unintended and unforeseen negative consequences - especially for the lightbringer himself). As for where to find and talk to the lightbringer - Look Inside!

 

[savethedreams]

Lucifer is a god like Jehovah. If you really would like to meet him, it's pretty much exactly like arranging for a visit with President Obama.

Lucifer is a god like Jehovah... Even though Lucifer doesn't exist I respect his character a lot.

Lucifer is the latin word for the planet Venus. It was the Latin translation of two metaphors in the Bible meaning "light bearer" or "morning star"/"daystar" when Hebrew and early Christian writings were translated for the Vulgate. It used in reference to either an arrogant Babylonian king or Babylon itself in Isaiah, and it is used in reference to Jesus as bringer of the light of morning in 2 Peter.

It could also be metaphorically associated with Prometheus (who stole fire/light from the gods to give to humans).

The tradition of treating "Lucifer" as an alternative proper name for the Devil or Satan is based on reading the passage from the Vulgate out of context as though it were Isaiah speaking of the Devil. Obviously, "Lucifer" is not a proper name in Isaiah - it's not even a word in Ancient Hebrew - and if your ever see it translated as a proper name in English translations know that it categorically cannot have been translated that way from the Hebrew and is therefore a demonstrable translation error. Consequently, the word "lucifer" does not appear in any of the major scholarly English translations of the Bible. It does it appear in the King James translation, but was included there for reasons of tradition and theology rather than any proper linguistic reason. It's especially silly when you see the translators in the NKJV include a note describing this passage as "The Fall of Lucifer" as though that were a name of something in Hebrew and without any regard for the connection between this passage and remainder of chapters 13 and 14 of Isaiah.

So is 'satan' real?

 

[doppelganger]

So is 'satan' real?

What do you mean by "real"? Is there a supernatural "being" that is not part of the universe of cause and effect who seeks to tempt humans or do evil? Depends on whether you need there to be or not. Sometimes there is.

Symbolically, "Satan" represents the selfish desire of the ego to seek it's own pleasures without regard to the effect doing so has on other things.

 

[savethedreams]

What do you mean by "real"? Is there a supernatural "being" that is not part of the universe of cause and effect who seeks to tempt humans or do evil? Depends on whether you need there to be or not. Sometimes there is.

Symbolically, "Satan" represents the selfish desire of the ego to seek it's own pleasures without regard to the effect doing so has on other things.

i mean a spirit person....

 

[doppelganger]

i mean a spirit person....

Have you had what you would describe as a "real" experience of such a person?

 

[savethedreams]

Have you had what you would describe as a "real" experience of such a person?

yeah i opened another thread saying all of this, yes i have I think, and want to know what it is...and my friends some of them who are 'devil wroshipes' and see demons , spirits, ghost and play with ouji boards...mom calls it the devil cuz she is a christian... bible is b.s to me...so?

 

[doppelganger]

yeah i opened another thread saying all of this, yes i have I think, and want to know what it is...and my friends some of them who are 'devil wroshipes' and see demons , spirits, ghost and play with ouji boards...mom calls it the devil cuz she is a christian... bible is b.s to me...so?

Have you "seen demons"?