Enlightened centrism isn't helpful here. One is guilty of obscuring political strategy and planning. The other is systematically attempting to strip the rights away from the people they are supposed to represent as it is documented in that plan.
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MAGA's response to President Biden's announcement
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We Never Know
No Slack
Both parties are responsible for the turmoil, the BS, the hate, the debt, the border, the etc etc. The list goes on.
They represent themselves, not the people.
If you want to trust one, have at it.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
one could argue that misleading people for their own good is not unethical?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
They ought to go the same way the Whigs and the Federalist parties went.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Maybe if you actually studied, you'd know better.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But beware of false equivalencies.
But if you live in the States, one party or the other will control the White House and the two chambers of Congress, which will affect your life. And if both parties hold at least one of them, there will be gridlock as there has been since the Republicans took control of the House in January 2023. Maybe you prefer that to what we saw Biden accomplish with Democratic majorities in both houses.
And notwithstanding all of this false equivalency, there is a very clear difference between the two parties. Trump and the Republicans will support the oligarchs, constrict freedoms, and lower the standard of living for ordinary Americans as they did before, while Harris (like Biden before her) and the Democrats will protect democracy, attempt to expand freedoms, promote egalitarianism, and support the middle class and the weak as they have been doing since 2021. These are very different visons and agendas.
Those were the first two attempts by American conservatives to form political parties, and they both died. The Republicans are their latest incarnation, and though way worse than either the Federalists or Whigs, they just won't go away. It's hard to believe the Republicans survived the Bush II years. They terrified Americans to the point that they elected a black man, even in Indiana and North Carolina:
"Obama flipped nine states that had voted Republican in 2004: Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia, as well as Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. This also marked the last time a Democrat carried Indiana and North Carolina in a presidential election."
It's even harder to believe that despite being rife with criminals, authoritarian theocrats, and lunatics that the Republicans are competitive in 2024. That doesn't bode well for America. It indicates an intellectual and moral crisis in American culture that didn't exist when those other parties fell by the wayside.
Thank you for your concern, but I think the Kamala and Democrats have this, and aren't really looking for advice from their enemies.
Exactly. Not YOU. Your opinions are just that and only that.
We Never Know
No Slack
Beware of ignoring one hand while only paying attention to the other.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Surely Biden is thinking, "I'm ok now, but I won't be in 4-years time"
We Never Know
No Slack
Biden is thinking.. at least we beat medicare
Trump is thinking.. what lies can I come up with next
Harris is probably thinking.. one old man is gone, now time to beat the other one
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
One old, RICH man is gone, now time to beat the other one.
We Never Know
No Slack
Shouldn't that say..
"One old RICH man is gone, now time to beat the other RICHER old man".
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Not enough to vote democrat if that's what you're asking. I do have to sleep at night. It won't matter much anyway. I don't live in a swing state.
You think THAT is the issue? The problem facing the Democrat Party elites is delegate squabbles. All their machinations can't control the rogue delegates and disenfranchised Democrat voters who will have their say one way or another. Either through a fight at the convention, a la 1968, or by staying home in November.
I have studied how you are exercising wishful thinking. It is quite humorous.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I don't think there's any issue. I was attempting to address what you see as an issue.
Actually I am kind of glad you think that way. I think complacency and ignoring of these possibilities by Harris supporters is just fine. Keep it up.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You mean, those same voters who were demanding him to step down in the weeks prior to him deciding to step down?