Many here say that corporations control everything.
If they really believed that, they wouldn't vote.
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Majority of Republicans want universal healthcare.
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If they really believed that, they wouldn't vote.
Nope. Politicians stay bought for the most part. I'm convinced that what's needed is a radical left takeover of government and laws putting corporate leaders in jail or perhaps the stocks.
The Verizon firefighter fiasco is enough to convince me that only strong government action will change things.
Or perhaps 10 million people in the street in Washington DC might do it.
Because for the most part people are passive and the plutocrats and kleptocrats running the government rely on that passivity to worship the almighty dollar while ordinary citizens suffer passively.
Wrong. Control today is one thing. Control tomorrow is another. The ballot is our best hope to change things. We have a chance this November, for example, to remove some corporate toadies from office and put in some who are not wholly own by corporate special interest groups.
PureX
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Once again, you got it wrong.
Yes, the corporate greed agenda is firmly in control of our government, but that doesn't mean that the control of government could not be taken back by the people if they were to stop voting against each other's petty issues, and start voting en masse to stop the corruption. If the American people began voting out all incumbents, regardless of their party affiliation, unless and until they actively seek to stop the wholesale corruption of our legislative body, the people could gain back control of it's government within a decade. Maybe even less once our intent became apparent, and our will to do so, intractable.
You are one vindictive pooch!
If you read the Snopes piece, Verizon is already claiming to have made a mistake,
& that policy is to allow better service in emergencies...no jailing or torture of
people necessary.
Now you're arguing contrary to the underlined text above.
Voters have great power.
That they don't use it as you'd wish doesn't make them so powerless.
Your "10 million people in the street" comports with my claim.
Vietnam war protests got us out of there back in the day.
We've been thru this before.
You've no evidence based argument for your
conspiracy theory, so let's just agree to disagree.
Even today, the voters have great control.
You just don't like what the majority wants.
PureX
Veteran Member
The point of this thread is that the majority does not want what their politicians keep insisting they get.
When public desires are changing, there is often phase lag.
But when desires are static, politicians respond, eg, waging
more wars because those leaders get re-elected.
I think it's a common view, exemplified in this bit by George Carlin:
About half the population doesn't vote.
What I've noticed about a lot of people (and this is more of a personal impression and not something I can actually prove), it's that they seem "programmed" in some essential way - at least when they talk about current events and the common political issues of the day.
I hear the same talking points, arguments, and rhetoric echoing back and forth. I wonder if they formulated these views on their own, based on their own research and critical examination - or if they're just repeating/parroting what they've heard others say. They allow others to set the agenda and to tell them what they should care about and what they should not care about.
The corporations control everything because the people have abdicated their power, either because they're too gullible or too apathetic.
Half of the people have given up completely and don't even bother to vote. The other half who do vote tend to be suckered into the "lesser of two evils" approach to politics.
I doubt there are very many people who truly believe that it really changes much, but they seem to vote for whomever they believe will cause the least damage or harm.
I doubt that "the corporations" wanted Obama to win.
And yet, he did....twice.
If the corporations control the parties, then Trump wouldn't have won,
because the Republican Party wanted anyone but him.
So I don't buy the control argument.
Moreover, those pushing the corporatocracy argument are just feeding
their opposition by convincing voters that they have no power. So why
vote at all? If they were right, they're just useful idiots of their boogeyman.
Just want to say on this Rev. we are in complete agreement.
Now I think corporations have too much influence in politics, I think the extremely wealthy have too much power in politics. I think citizens united was a horrible decision and I think the flood of dark money into politics as a result has been incredibly destructive to democracy.
But I am not a defeatist. This can be changed. People still have tremendous power if they choose to use it. I am all about the vote. And the protest, and petitions, and letters and phone calls to your representatives. People must take back their power.
I offer a deal.....
If corporations are to lose political power, it should apply to all corporations.
What say you?
I doubt you are in a position to make such a deal.
But sure.
PureX
Veteran Member
They own the legislature, and the party heads. They don't care who wins the presidential elections. The presidents don't make law.
Done. I agree
I understand why the for-profit healthcare industry would oppose single payer, but why would all business opppose? Seems like it would save them money since they don’t have to pay for their employees health insurance (and could quietly remove that form of salary without replacing it with higher wages). Even if single payer is funded by taxes employers, it would likely be less than they currently pay.
The only thing I can think of is (and this is a bit conspiracy theory-ish) is that insurance is one of the ways to keep workers under control. Fear of losing insurance can prevent workers from leaving for otherwise greener pastures.
But otherwise, having a healthy workforce and eliminating the need to supply private insurance seems like it would be a win for corporations.
Booowahahahaahhha, etc!
You fell into me trap....the DNC is a corporation.
But on to the meaty part...
If we limit corporate speech because it's well funded corruption,
the same could apply to political parties, where a few can dictate
who runs, or the media (especially news), where a few determine
what we hear, or unions, where a few can...
You see where this is going.
Let all be unorganized grass roots.
The whole point is, from the point of view of the corporations, it really doesn't matter which party actually wins. Obama was certainly friendly to corporate interests, so why wouldn't they want him to win?
Trump managed to pull off a fluke, which clearly rankled and upset a lot of people in high places. The intensity and volume of the opposition against him confirms this to be true. This doesn't necessarily negate or refute the idea that corporations control everything. It could simply mean that there is infighting amongst the oligarchs.
Many of them are just that. Of course, one could just as easily use the same argument and ask why people bother to even have opinions about politics at all? Why do people argue about it? What's the point?